Gun Control UK Style

Thank you for proving my point for me. If you think being a slave makes you a "member of a civilised society" then go from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

I prefer the society in which I live. I am safer than you, and freer than you. You'll twist yourself in knots refusing to accept that, but violent crime where I live is lower than anywhere in the UK. You hate guns, like most sheep do, but that only shows just how deeply your craven motivations run.

 

Next time, work in "trite", "jaded" and "confiscated".

 

Sounds like a lot but when you start with low numbers it only take a few more cases to get large percentage increases

The overall UK murder rate remains a fraction of the USA murder rate

 

It always has been. Interestingly, it was about 1/10 that of the US for multiple decades before 1996. Now it's only 1/5 that of the US homicide rate.

 

The united states has far more people than most nations.

 

Much like the concept of spontaneous suicide, the above is nothing more than an excuse by so-called "experts" in the field of psychological health to explain away their incompetence in identifying problematic individuals who pose a danger to themselves or others. It is not something that has any actual basis in reality, and is constantly proven wrong by the sheer number of individuals who demonstrate the ability to safely handle firearms without discharging them either negligently or deliberately.

 

Has there ever been a point in the history of both countries, where such was not the case? Has the murder rate of the united kingdom ever in its history of existence, ever rivaled or exceeded the murder rate of the united states?

 

Only if you cant do math

 

But you aren't safer or freer than me are you ? Your homicide rate is five times ours your incarceration rate is three times ours and I dont need to go out locked and loaded in a society so violent that at any moment I might have to actually kill somebody in order to survive

 

Thank you for proving my point.

You do. You just don't realize it.

 

I've lived in both societies ( and many others too) and when it comes to violence your gun crazy madness trumps everything I've experienced outside a war zone (and I've fought in them too). Sorry that counting still baffles you....

 

No. You haven't.

 

USA crime rates are driven by the very large cities. That's very clear from the FBI Uniform Crime Data.

I don't have reliable crime data for the UK, but I do for Australia. Americans are quite safe, much safer than Australians.

The USA has a homicide rate that is 2.5 times higher than AUS (4.7 versus 2), but AUS violent crime rate is much higher than the rate of the USA (960 versus 717). Look a the magnitude of the numbers - on avg the USA has 2.7 more homicides, but AUS has 240 more rapes, assaults with serious bodily injury, robberies.

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Incarceration rate is a separate subject. Almost everyone agrees it is way too high, a product of the disastrous "war on drugs".

LOL, propaganda. I leave my door unlocked when I am at home whether I am in the house or outside, day and night. I often leave it unlocked when I am away. Why? Nobody tries to enter a home uninvited. And neighbors look out for each other.

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To answer your first question, I am safer and freer than you.

 

Murder rate:
Australia 1.3 per 100,000, US 5 per 100,000

Rape rate:
Australia 28.6 per 100,000, US 27.2 per 100,000

Assault rate:
Australia 797 per 100,000, US 786.7 per 100,000
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime

Not a huge difference except in the case of murder. Guns make crime more lethal. I've lived in both countries and didn't feel less safe in Australia.

 

Civil liberties US vs UK, some examples....
https://prestonbyrne.com/2016/01/06/the-american-english-civil-liberties-comparison-table/

The UK is a classed society, many liberties and privileges are not available to all. Protesting that, as Black did in the US was the spark that lit the flames of the Troubles and gave rise to the Provos. I guarantee, Flogger, isn’t in the elite, but many are less equal than he.

 

The ratios of homicide rates for US to Australia didn't change one bit after 1996.

 

Turn your focus to locations such as Fallujiah and Somolia. Perhaps they would be more welcoming of such efforts than those in the united states.

 

Example of a petty crime and the result.
I was 9 years old and waiting on line in a small Glatt Kosher Deli, waiting to pay for some candy, a lady was waiting to pay money in hand, and a Black man walked in looking around, out of place, and when nobody paid attention tok him, he snatched the cash out of the Woman's hand and ran from the store amid yelps in Yiddish of
stop thief !

He did not get far and fell down hard on his head and made a mess, and stopped moving, he was pronounced dead and taken away by ambulance.

This happens often, people get tired of being victims.

 

Nationmaster? LOL, that's been totally discredited. It mixes data from various sources and various years. I have tried to track its data through its claimed sources and could not find the actual data.

I use the Australia Bureau of Statistics Crime Reports and the USA FBI Uniform Crime Reports. AUS is far more violent that the USA.

Stop using worthless web sites like VPC and Nationmaster and the Bloomberg School at Johns Hopkins. Use real data.

 

Yeah, why wouldn't it be? If you answer the question you might even see the point...

 

Gosh!

 

Then I guess you'll never get it...

 

Check out UNODC Statistics. Take, for example, 2015 robbery rates per 100,000 population. Australia is at 37.41. The US is at 101.74. Of course there are definition issues with all these comparisons.

 

No, my homicide rate is NOT "five times yours". It's actually about equivalent. The violent crime rate where I live is lower than in the UK. See, you dishonestly want to paint the entire U.S. with one broad brush, which is a fallacy. Different states, different communities, different laws, different rates of crime and violence. So, you see, I AM safer AND freer than you; no matter how offensive a reality you might find that to be.

I'm also not so much of a cowering sheep that I find keeping the tools of self-defense and self-determination close at hand so horrifying as you do.

 

Regional differences in a country's crime rates? Crikey, that's perhaps the first time I've agreed with you. Pity is was such a bleedin obvious comment mind you!