Halsey says good riddance to concertgoers leaving show during abortion rights speech

And the other person involved and their body?

 

Us adults don’t need the state to compel in our interest. An innocent powerless baby does need the state to intervene in their interest.

 

LOL it doesn't show anything. For all you know 2 people left.

And we know the polls on this. 55-59% of American oppose overturning RvW. We don't need to make mindless guesses based on a concert.

 

Trump said they were fake polls

 

no other human has been born at that point.....

 

2 people? Pretty sure no one would have commented on 2 people out of a crowd of 35k. 2 people leaving to go to the bathroom is what most people would think...if they even noticed to begin with. But, it was enough that it was noticed. And commented on.

As for the polls, don't rely entirely on them. Things like this are indicators also.

 

We are human from the moment of conception until natural death. We don’t need to be born to become what we were and are all along

 

not scientifically accurate or being purposefully dishonest. Which is it?

 

Gallop has this issue at 55/45, pro choice.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/393104/pro-choice-identification-rises-near-record-high.aspx

Seems to be a split issue. I would suggest abortion be allowed then if rape/incest occurred or if the mother/fetus life were in danger. And only in the first trimester. Republicans need not die on this hill. But the idiots in the other states that allow late term abortions are repugnant. Understand and respect the fact that you ARE killing a person. That is what the action is.

Again, each state will get elected officials who run on a platform with the stance it's population want with regards to this issue. This need not be handled by the fed.

 

Two issues occur to me on the timing limits. You have to forget prudence to some extent, there are a lot of people just not sharp enough to apply that.

First is the time required for the person to discover the pregnancy. Technically a home test should do this fairly soon- but there have been people who were surprised when they went into labor and went to ER rooms complaining of pains but unaware that they were pregnant. Next is the huge mental process of considering all the factors and coming to terms with an answer. Some may not think so- but women examine the possible consequences here in great length, it's usually not an easy decision, yet one made under conflicting pressures. The search for a "right" answer can be quite involved, neither easy nor fast..

I suspect that the science of medicines will soon be the thing with the most impact. There is now a treatment consisting of two pills (different ingredients) taken in sequence that induces miscarriage and is highly effective at least in the first trimester. Done at home. No physical intervention or procedure- very private. As people learn about this, I think the conditions of this conflict of values will change. Clinical abortions will fall dramatically.

The right answer is no unwanted pregnancies, but of course the human condition is nowhere near the level of self-management needed to achieve that and may never be.

 

Do you support the government requiring masks and vaccines to protect lives?

 

Yes .. Overturning RvW .. is universally considered a bad thing .. sans the extremists in theTheocracy Club.

The election is a different question.. While putting Abortion to the forefront is definitely shooting self in foot .. Blue is so bad right now .. that Red should still win.. Long term however this issue is a game loser .. a millstone around neck .. a demographic time bomb.

 

The Vax did not protect the life of anyone other than those with immune issues .. someone been pulling your chain.

but to the general question .. "NO" Gov't should definitely not be making law on the basis of the general claim to be protecting lives aka "Harm Reduction" as that is Tyranny .. by definition .. don't ya know

 

I am not here to debate the vaccine or masks working or not. But if government deems masks and vaccines as protecting lives along with banning abortions, one can not simply say they support government enforcing one but not the other.

 

but people do support one but not the other .. in hypocritical bliss

You asked a question .. you were claiming fallacious utilitarianism was justification for law .. I said No .. and explained why.

So do you support both banning abortion and vax mandate ?

 

look at any grave marker, not one marks once life from the point of conception

life insurance doesn't cover miscarriages

 

Most Americans also think we live in a democracy and have no understanding of the Constitution.

 

Why?

 

Not carte blanche.

I am pro-choice, but only in the first trimester or when the mothers live would be in danger taking it to term.

The problem is, the left's continual push for more and more leniency related to when abortion occurs and without reason. A late term abortion often means the life was viable, and so I consider that murder.

Simply saying 70% support it under any condition is not accurate.

 

There was an amendment to address that issue federally.

There wasn't an amendment for abortion, there was legislating from the bench.

You want a federal protection for abortion, pass an amendment otherwise the overturning was correct per the 10th amendment.

 

Because rules need to be consistent if you expect people to follow them.
If you played a game where the rules were different for the same game in a different town, and those different again from others- you would never feel confident that you knew what you were doing
Conflicts in rules create the impression there are no rules, and that creates chaos and endless conflict.

 

it was very scientifically accurate, you're not born until you're born

I guess if one believes in reincarnations, then they would believe that not to be true

 

That's federalism man.

There are already varying laws between states, as intended.

One of the most important and successful aspects of our Republic is giving people the opportunity to live in whichever state best aligns with their own values while creating a competitive strategy among states to draw in residents and businesses.

What is the benefit of a centrist authoritarian federal government?

 

yes, it took awhile though and people suffered, I agree...

my body my choice, you want a theocracy, find another country