Has Hillary disqualified herself?

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Not particularly and has a terrible time remembering things

    ON the women whom her husband gets sexually involved with including the ones he sexually assaults, but what toughness has she ever shown, in the foreign arena they walked all over her
    Where has her "toughness" manifested itself to some accomplishment or success?

    She certainly didn't put any good experience into play as SecState, what are you talking about. Her legislative career was less than noticeable. What has she done with this experience to warrant choosing her to lead the country?
     
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    So no real enthusiasm for her.

    And once again the only support she seems to get is over mystery Republicans, that they are ALL so bad she';s the only thing left. Not very supportive.
    will insure that people who understand the constitution will be appointed to the Supreme Court, rather than right wing hacks like Scalia and Thomas.

    She fell on her face and her husband never brought it up again. It took 16 years to get over her fiasco. Just as she fail as first lady of Arkansas when her husband threw her her bone for covering up for him and turn over education in the state to her and she was going to change everything and failed miserably.


    I pointed you to over 50 years of data, your dodging now. Come up tell us under which rates did we produce the highest revenues and the most economic activity?

    ROFL, 52 months of full employment, I don't really care if it is 4.2 or 4.1 both are GREAT. The Bush tax rate cuts did exactly what they were supposed to do.

    They were NOTHING compared to the Obama deficits, the worst Bush/Republican deficit was the one year $400B at the end of the downturn, my what we would give to have their WORST deficit now 4 years after the Obama recovery was supposed to kick in. They then lowered it the next three years down to a paltry $161B. It is still FOUR TIMES that under Obama and the Democrats. So spare me the Bush the great deficit creator, we should wish he was in office now managing things.

    Yes two years of Democrat majority power, how'e they do?

    And Obama and the Democrats blew it and look where we are now. But while we are reminessing Bush came in on a recession and a dot.com bubble and then 9/11. It's what we elect them to handle. Bush did a good job. Obama has been a fiasco.

    So what, the wealth of everyone has increased of course the top increases faster they have more, but that is no business of government.

    It wasn't under Bush. It not only has been stagnant under Obama it has declined.

    What about it, the bottom half pay virtually no federal income taxes while the top 20% pay over 80%, what is it you want to "restructure"?

    Why, why should I have lower wealth because someone else didn't go out and make their own? How much of yours are you going to be willing to give up?
     
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    Unemployment was falling when Bush took office, it was 4.7% in January 2001, in May 2001 it hit 4.1%, that was the lowest, and when Bush lefty office it was 8.5% and climbing like crazy.
    You know, in the real world...
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who asked you for your baseless opinions?

    What I did ask is who is the alternative. You dodged the only question put to you. What a surprise.
     
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    I'm not sure where you got your data, but the opposite is true. The UR rate was 4.2% the month Bush took office in Jan 2001. From there it rose, by May it was 4.3% and it never got back to 4.2% again.

    It was 7.8% in Jan 2009, but you are correct, it was skyrocketing upwards as the effects of the Great Recession is administration left was coming to fore.

    Source: http://www.bls.gov/webapps/legacy/cpsatab1.htm
     
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    Another con dodges the question. Anyone want to actually answer it?

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    Yet another con dodges the question. Anyone want to actually answer it?
     
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    I am a independent, I have seen what 2 parties have done to this nation. If you want trailer trash representing you then Hillary is your women.

     
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    Thanks for sharing your opinion. Whose the alternative?
     
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    No it had been steady and the first upward trend was January the month he took office.

    4.2 having climbed from 3.9 the previous month.

    4.3 as we were in a recession that had started in March.

    It hit a peak of 6.3% in Jun. of 2003. My what we would give now to have the WORST it hit in that recession. We then entered a very long sustained period of full employment. What is your complaint.

    After that long, one of the longest periods of full employment and sustained solid growth and as we went into a normal cyclical slowdown and recession the Democrats took the reigns of power and how have their policies worked out?

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    Thanks for proving my point again.
     
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    Having risen from 3.9% the month before, you left that out.

    But even at it's worst remained under what Obama has produced and during that period 52 months of full employment. My what we would give to have the WORST under Bush and the Republicans compared to Obama and the Democrats.

    Yes after the Democrats gained control in 2007 look what happened.
     
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    And you dodged the question again.

    Thanks for proving my point again.
     
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    So Hillary should be elected because there are no other alternatives...............what a rousing endorsement.
     
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    For the historically ignorant out there, you may recall that Bush, who was not a Democrat, ran the executive and administration through Jan 2009.

    But I can see why our right wing friends would try to pretend otherwise.
     
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    Now you're simply restorting to fabricating my position. How unusual for you.

    I think Hillary has good qualifications, but you always have to consider the alternative.

    That fact you cannot name even one and have dodged and danced answering my question explains a lot as to why IMO Hillary would be the best choice.
     
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    Proving mine again, thanks. I'n not here to give you alternatives, I'm here to listen to the reasons to vote for her, all you've given so far is there are no other alternatives. I will accept your reasons as proof the Democrats are lacking in people who would make good Presidents.

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    That is all you have presented, having to resort to me giving you alternatives to her else that is the reason she should be elected.

    Yes proving my point you can give no reason to vote for and have to ask me who would be an alternative since you can't seem to come up with a good reason to vote for her.
     
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    For your historical ignorance you may recall the Democrats took over both the House and the Senate in 2007 and failed to instituted policies to offset the slowdown recession or housing market collapse and passed their own budgets creating the HUGE increase in the deficits and debt.

    But I can see why you would try to pretend otherwise and pretend that Reid and Pelosi simply followed Bush's orders and supported and passed all of his initiatives.
     
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    I'm sure all but the historically ignorant appreciate that the Dems didn't "gain control" of the government in 2007 while Bush was president, contrary to your assertion.
     
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    And how did those qualifications manifest themselves in her role as SecState? What were her three top successes in that role? How about her term as a Senator? Qualifications, even baseless asserted ones are one thing, it's what you do with them.


    ROFLMAO, this is about HILLARY and why SHE should be elected and the only thing you can come up with is there are no alternatives and now desperately want ME to give you DEMOCRAT alternatives. How hilarious.

    Thanks for continuing to prove my point.
     
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    Of the House, the Senate and the White House they had two. So yes they have more power than he. When a President faces and opposition House and Senate he is dead in the water as far as his initiatives.
     
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    To the contrary. I've state why IMO Hillary would be a good president.

    The fact that you cannot not name even one decent alternative demonstrates why should would be the best choice.
     
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    Some accomplishments while Clinton was SS:

    o Got Osama bin Laden.
    o Got Atiyah Abd al-Rahman
    o Got Anwar al-Aulaqi
    o Ousted Muamar Kadaffi at 1/1000 the cost of the Iraq war
    o Got us out of the "mistaken" war in Iraq
    o Improved US approval ratings abroad

    ROTFLMFAO!!!

    You're pretending that a choice of president is not about alternatives, and you cannot even name one GOP candidate who can hold a candle to her!!!!

    Thanks for continuing to prove my point.
     
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    Perhaps the civics and historically ignorant will be impressed by your infantile argument.
     
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    I found it here http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet
    I thought it looked funny...I guess I used the population survey numbers, you used the more commonly used survey of companies.

    Basically the same story, Bush took over in a strong economy, and left the second great depression, and a 1.4 trillion dollar deficit.

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    Funny but what you call "one of the longest periods of full employment and sustained solid growth " , economists call "the jobless recovery"
     
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    ROFL what did she have to do directly with those things? She was SecState NOT CIA or DoD.

    SHE ousted Kadaffi? What specifically did SHE do to oust Kadaffi and how has that policy worked out in Libya? Benghazi where she is responsible for the deaths of our Ambassador and three others there? Why should the person responsible for that policy disaster be elected President and in total control? Why would you want more of those disastrous decisions?

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    The one she helped tremendously to get us in? The one the Bush administration successfully prosecuted and then she and Obama blew the status of force agreement and it is going to hell now?

    That is reason NOT to vote for her.

    Is the job of SecState to protect our vital interest or just make people like us? What are her top three accomplishments as SecState? How has the reset with Russia worked out? How is the ME in a better state than before?


    ROTFLMAO your trying to divert this thread about the one presumptive choice because you can't give good reasons to vote FOR her.

    I have no obligation too, this is about why one should vote for Hillary and I enjoy watching you wallow around trying to divert from it.

    Thanks for continuing to prove my point.
     
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    ROFL as Secretary of State she is part of the foreign policy team.
    ROTFLMAO you cannot even identify one GOP alternative that could hold a candle to her.
     

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