Healthcare--a right or not?

wow, that is a complete rejection and misunderstanding of the entire foundation upon which the constitution is based upon

 

Every country on earth enforces their laws thru "bullying"

 

Some contract... I didn't get to read it let alone agree to it.

 

The door leaving the country is wide open

 

That's where you get into the concept of "superior rights". For example, you have the right to peaceably assemble (and as an aside, some people really need to look up the definition of "peaceable"), and I have the right to keep trespassers off my property, so if you want to peaceably assemble on my property and I don't want you to, my right is superior.

 

The people with control over the big guns, apparently. They would rather FORCE you to do something (taxes) than CONVINCE you to do it willingly (charity).

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Most humans ARE enslaved... they just don't call it that.

 

What is life? It is the period of time between birth and death. Is there some guaranteed amount of it one should have a right to? Who would (have the right to) determine this?

 

Nope. I had my "life", from beginning to end. The bear just set one of the boundaries.

 

EXCELLENT!

 

we pay the taxes, unless you forgot. And you want to pay a lower percentage than others, so in effect you are "free" loading off of them and they are being "forced" to pay more than you.
In addition the government is forcing price structure on physicians. So you are wrong on many fronts.

it was a right while it lasted, according to your nonsensical definition.

 

I guess the slaves were enjoying liberty right along with the slave owners who demanded legalized slavery of their government.
Women were enjoying liberty too, when they couldn't vote.

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well most especially when he can get something for free at the expense of somebody else.

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it's like watching a fourth grader write a paper

 

and sometimes they enforce the glorious, liberty producing system of apartheid,.........since according to you, everything the people demand of the government defines liberty.

 

duh, how can it be a right if I can't expect to force you to pay for me ?
That's a no brainer.

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you will die without food and a heat source. Do you have the right to make me pay for those too ?

 

We were talking about healthcare as a 'right', not a safety net. IOW, free healthcare for all, not just a provision to care for the less fortunate. so it should be compared to 'free coffee', or any other commodity that we wish to pretend is a right. I clearly said that in my first post in this thread.

How can you ignore Bastiat's quote, & deflect with 'safety net!' issues, when that is not the subject? Why do you feel the need to insert ad hominem when debating a conceptual matter?

 

It depends.
If you are bleeding in a ditch somewhere, your 'need' for medical care supercedes your 'need' for food.. at that moment. If you haven't eaten for a couple of days, your need for food outweighs your need for a checkup.

But 'NEED' is not the issue. Every human has basic needs, & it is not the responsibility of everyone else to meet those needs. That is the 'great fiction' that Bastiat wrote about nearly 200 years ago. Why should it be your responsibility to feed me? Or provide housing, clothing, cell phones, or condoms? All of those things are commodities, that each person has to earn for themselves.

There are 3 basic ways to meet our survival needs:

1. Work
2. Mooch
3. Loot

We are born moochers. We are dependent on someone else to feed, clothe, shelter, & protect us. But as we become adults, we take over that responsibility, & do our part in caring for others in our family or social unit. But it is unsustainable madness to try to extend the family unit to all of society. All that does is promote a mooching class, most of which are elected. And when too many dependents mooch off of too few working people, that society is nearing collapse.

So, do we wish to create a generation of dependents, who are helpless for life, or do we expect & insist on everyone, as much as possible, being productive, contributing members of society? The former is unsustainable & will lead to collapse. The latter is the only way for humans to survive in a social setting.

"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." ~Frederic Bastiat

 

We pay for government services thru taxes. And my nonsensical definition is the one we currently use. LOL

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Uh....no. That would be bad. LOL

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Name a country that effectively deals with its poor exclusively thru charity

 

You have no right to take those things FROM me...

 

Health care: the right you have no choice but to exercise in whatever way the federal government tells you it will accept.
Resistance is taxable.

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Nope.
But I do not have to give them to you if you cannot pay me for them.

 

Who in the US has NO CONTROL over where and when and how they get healthcare?

 

You raise a very good question.

I don't think access to health care is a basic human right. However, I'd like to live under a government that makes health care for all citizens a high priority and organizes its budgets accordingly.

Somebody has to pay for health care if you're going to provide it for everybody. My choice would be to pay for it through taxation. Some might complain about raising taxes to pay for health care, but we're paying for it now, through health care plan premiums.

My preference would be a single payer health care system.

 

makes sense...

 

Why do you believe the state should force other people to pay for goods and services you, not they, receive?

 

It is more dire than simply who pays for what. Healthcare can not be a basic human right unless the health providers are there and available anytime anybody wants them. This means the federal government has to own and operate all medical facilities and all practitioners must been enslaved -- maybe well-paid slaves, but slaves none-the less. The 13th Amendment would have to be repealed.

 

Who's taking anything from you?
Wanna make up another silly argument?

 

What does what we currently do have to do with "rights".

My thirteen year old daughter types LOL a lot too