Homophobic slurs when not directed at LGBT individuals

I do suppose you express your distaste for right wing words/deeds which are homophobic.

 

Homophobia definition:
dislike or prejudice against homosexual people

It definitely is a thing and it happened enough to me and my husband that he is afraid to hold my hand in public. It’s not a demonization, it is an appropriate description for people who sling hate for no other reason than my preference in partners.

Yes it is an attack, but unlike a more appropriate criticism it pulls a vulnerable minority into the fray as collateral damage.

Fair point again. Sorry that you’ve had to deal with that.

Wrong is wrong regardless of the perpetrator. I try to call out wrongs where ever I see them.

 

I call them as I see them ~ an old baseball expression and one I stand by.


The political toons you see with Trump & Putin together are not homophobic but are comments abut their mutual stupidities and selfish ambitions which may cost people their freedoms and bring on Armageddon. The free pass being given to Trump by his disciples is proof of their political short comings and hypocrisies and do not reflect negatively on anyone else.

 

There is no PHOBIA involved, though. It's simply people who don't agree with, or approve of, homosexuality. That is a legitimate position, and they have as much right to hold it (and express it, within the usual legal limits) as any other personal scruple.

Unfortunately, as long as homosexuality is still widely regarded as comical and/or downright evil by the majority of humanity (that means ALL humanity, not just the small proportion of 'approvers' in the liberal west), it will continue to be used as a slight. Since the majority of humanity is unlikely to suddenly be respectful of the gay, you can expect that to be the norm for a long long while.

 

I hear people using words like "gay" and "***" as put downs (also "*****" and "little girl" and "baby", etc.). They are not homophobic, its just reality. For example, I can tolerate that a person is gay and not hassle them, as long as they leave me alone. But I don't have to accept LGBTQblahblah as a normal lifestyle and pretend its not a mental/emotional issue.

The stereotype of a gay man is one who is weak and effeminate. In a world of hard driving alpha males, the weak and effeminate don't fit in and are not tolerated. When you screw up or cant keep up, expect to be called names. If you cant handle it, then leave and go somewhere else.

 

Phobia definition:
an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.
Aversion definition:
a strong dislike or disinclination.

I’d say phobia is quite accurate. Just because something is common around the world, especially in uneducated and uninformed parts, does not give it any form of validity.

There’s nothing wrong with a man being effeminate. We’re no longer nomadic tribes of hunter gatherers. Gender steriotypes no longer hold any true value. Where do you propose weak and effeminate men go exactly? Your post implies they have no place on this earth.

 

You are in an ever shrinking minority in developed nations but you would fit in great in countries that beat women for being raped. It’s odd to me that people can call gay people evil when these are usually the most hateful people around. Hate is evil

 

Depends upon your surroundings. If you live in a big city such as NY, where your food is brought to your door, your protection is handled by others, you are sheltered from the weather and hardship, where you work in a cozy office, where the govt will step in and take care of you, and you stay away from those "less civilized" parts of the city, then you can live under the myth that gender is irrelevant and nobody does physical labor. You can play those LGBTQetc games as if they really matter.

And you can pretend that everyone in the world is going to respect your decision to ignore reality. Just stay out of those areas of "diversity" where the people don't share your fantasy.

Visit some of the harsher parts of the world, and that's most of the world, and you will see you live a fantasy. Spend some time in the military where physical ability means the difference between life and death. Why do you think everyone in special forces are hyper alpha male types? Because the lesser men can't do what's required, and the effeminate don't stand a chance.

 

People are largely products of their environment. If a person’s environment affords them the right to live life as they choose what the hell does it matter how people in undeveloped countries view it?
Assuming you view less masculine men as at least as capable as women are you saying that a woman lack the ability to function successfully in the world?
As far as military service goes you’re going to hold the top 1% of the 1% of Americans who serve as some kind of standard for manhood, really? I knew far more masculine men than myself that couldn’t hack it in basic training, and I’m certain many of the people you would consider “manly men” couldn’t either. You’re judging a lot of people based on ignorant bias and stereotypes. It’s a bad look on you.

 

True, and that's essentially what I posted. I also posted that your environment can change. If you live in an urban area, you will know there are parts where you better not wander because your idea of life and the world is not accepted. And your own environment can change with changes in the economy, war, natural disaster, politics.

The idea that gender is irrelevant and is even decided by the individual is only found in those places which are so far removed from the natural world and so isolated that they can delve into fanciful ideas. Those places are tenuous and totally dependent upon outside support.

Living a LGBTQ lifestyle and culture is a fantasy. If you can live it and do live it, then fine. But don't try to push your fantasy on the rest of the people, and when your bubble is burst don't be surprised.

Wrong assumption. Men are men, men are not women. A less masculine man is not a woman. Its your fantasy that gender is irrelevant and men and women can be equivalent, its not my fantasy.

In general, men and woman are different physically and mentally. That's just basic biology and evolution and genetics. Each have advantages and disadvantages over the other. Men function better than women in some areas, women function better than men ion others, and on some areas they have equal ability.

And yes I am going to hold up the top 1%. Whether its the top 1% in business, or sports, or the military, or politics, or academia, or hollywood, or farming, etc., that 1% shows what the ideal is. That top 1% are the people that are most qualified to meet those challenges and have met those challenges. That top 1% demonstrates the qualities that are best suited to those arenas.

Some are more conducive to the LGBTQblah fantasy than others. In Hollywood, the land of make believe, its an advantage. In most other areas, its not.

And that's the difference between me and you. I recognize reality, there are places where people can live a fantasy, and if that's their choice then fine by me - as long as they don't try to push their fantasy on me and try to make me live in their make believe world.

 

A person choosing to live THEIR life the way they see fit is hardly fantasy or some disconnect with reality. Outside of fringe individuals that I choose not to associated with, they are not forcing you or anyone else to to be a part of their life. If anything I’d imagine they’d rather you and others like you keep to yourself as the majority keep to themselves. It seems the people most likely to push their ideals on others are the ones most worried that someone else’s could be pushed on them. Holding my husband’s hand isn’t “pushing my fantasy” on anyone. Getting called a f****t for it definitely is pushing it on me.
It’s wrong regardless of whatever justification you offer up.

 

Read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote. Essentially live and let live.

And the LQGTQblah community is most certainly pushing their lifestyle on everyone else. When they harass people for believing marriage is between a man and a woman, or that homosexuality is a sin, or for not holding a ceremony for homosexual weddings, and are forced to set their beleifs aside or lose their livelihood, when they want elementary schools to teach about homosexuality and transgenders, then you are forcing your fantasy on everyone else.

If gays want to be married in the eyes of the state in order to receive state provided benefits, that's equal treatment by the govt and that's fair. When gays want to force churches to endorse gay marriage, bankrupt and harass and threaten people who break no law but have thoughts that are opposed to the LGBTQblah agenda, that's tyranny and unacceptable.

And if you can't take someone calling you a name, then you need to grow up. You are not going to remake the world so it accepts your fantasy.

 

I know when I’m beating my head against a wall. You have a good one man. I hope you live a long happy life where you don’t have to fear violence for who you are as a person. Go in peace.

 

I live in a very liberal state (Hawaii). The liberals went so far as to begin teaching in sex education that someone's anus was a sex organ. Luckily one brave lawmaker was able to get that corrected but, even though the LGTB community makes up a small percentage of our population, they expect people to accept and completely normalize their lifestyle to the point where they want it taught to children.

Here's a link to the story:
http://eagnews.org/parents-vs-progressives-controversial-hawaii-sex-ed-redefines-anus-as-sex-organ/

 

Secondary sex organs often include the mouth and breasts - the brain is often classified as a primary sex organ. Futhermore, the anus is used in sexual activity in many heterosexual relationships so this isn’t necessarily a homosexual issue.

The sex education classes are mostly safe sex education as the religious imposed abstinence only has failed miserably. Teaching that gay people exist and anti-bullying programs should definitely be in the program - simply so within a generation or so the bigots will mostly cease to exist. If you want to teach third world religious propaganda to your offspring feel free to homeschool them - the rest of us will be thankful your offspring do not interact with our children.

Btw, most of the figures in your quote are outright lies. Not that facts seem to be a large factor in your narrative.

 

Do Homersexuals call each other "breeders" to insult them?

 

You mean homosexuals? Not each other to my knowledge. I don’t do it or partisipate in it.

Maybe I missed your point?

 

An excellent post, Battle. Thank you!

The ignorance and naivety of some, and the sheer lack of exposure they've had to the very rich tapestry of human life, is astonishing.

 

Yeah, no. There's no fear involved. That's an article of faith, clung to by those who need to find a way to explain disapproval which leaves them guilt free.

There is plenty wrong with a man being effeminate, actually. It's exceedingly unattractive, in every way imaginable. Masculinity is beautiful, and should be embraced by fathers, and taught to sons.

 

Oh yeah .. that's it, for sure.

And could you invoke the H word a bit more frequently next time?

 

He/she is observing nature. Nature does not reward effeminate men.

Are you a science denier, perchance?

 

They live in a bubble, atop an Ivory Tower. It's like children, in the Land of Make Believe. The difference is that even quite young children know that outside the door to the magical kingdom, reality awaits.

 

1) Abstinence Only is not a thing, anywhere. What many parents (and it has nothing to do with religion, FTR, it's cultural. Lot's of non-Christians teach abstinence to their kids) are shooting for is abstinence while young. That means, til at least the end of high school. Some will be shooting for abstinence until marriage, but they're absolutely entitled to do so .. and that option should ALWAYS be presented to kids during 'sex ed'.

2) Many anti-bullying programs are misfires. Bullies will always exist, everywhere. The only effective approach is to raise your kids to NOT BE TARGETS. You cannot fix other people's kids, but you can ensure yours don't become victims by raising them to not be attention seekers or 'misfits'. Lastly, what an absurdist fantasy, that 'bigots' will somehow magically disappear. As though it's even a thing .. and not just disagreement.

3) Gay people are very few in number, so there is absolutely no need to mention them in sex ed. Schools have limited time to teach this stuff, so they should be teaching only the most basic stuff. Since the vast majority of kids will be straight, and 'ordinary' there is no need to introduce irrelevant outlier stuff. Even then, sex ed should consist of the following, and not a word more: "You all know how it works, and that it makes babies - and sometimes diseases, so the best thing to do is leave it for long term committed relationships. But if you can't do that, because your parents didn't think you were important enough to protect and teach self respect to, then use a damned condom." "Class dismissed".

 

The problem with turning homosexuality into a punchline, or using it as an insult is that among the audience for that humor, are young very literal minded kids. Some of these kids will learn that homosexuality is something to demean, or belittle or laugh at. Among that demographic you are sure to find two subsets. One subset will include bullies who will use this lesson for ill . Another subset will be young gays who will absorb a very different message than what the adults intended, when they threw that humor around ... We adults have to be accountable for what we teach children even when the child is not sitting at our knee looking at us.

 

Its an insult to automatically call someone a homophobic name in the heat of a verbal battle. So those accusing trump and putin as gay or lovers...have no other venue to express themselves so they resort to innuendo and crassness.
Trump and Putin have been friends for a very long time. Both want what is best for their countries. They understand each other. They are businessmen who can connect AS businessmen. This is the same as any power player getting along with another power player. Trump and Jinping are also friends. They might bicker over discussions and rattle their sabers, but overall..they respect each other. THis does not mean they are gay.