House Bill 1441 - Do fathers get a say in the abortion of their unborn child?

That's nothing to do with the law. That's how human reproduction works.

men and women have different birth control choices, not because of the law, but because of how babies are made.

Men's choices are limited to before they ejaculate inside a woman. Women have choices after sex has taken place.

 

Its a ridiculous proposition. Men have no right to force any woman to carry any pregnancy to term.

 

Moron is right..........

 

as much as I'd like to support this as a matter of law, its completely unworkable and impractical. The woman has the fetus in her body, and that cannot be a shared duty. Legally the one with the physical dilemma and limitations, has to be empowered here. Morally, I am a big fan of consulting Dad and including him as much as plausible and realistic. The woman makes the call.

 

What the morons who think the father should have a say don't realize is that it can go both ways once started....a man could then have the right to force a woman to have an abortion, force is force.

 

Wow! Finally, the father-to-be is given just consideration in the welfare of his child and his parental rights!

About time!

It is natural for a parent to want their child to live, isn't it?

http://www.oklegislature.gov/BillInfo.aspx?Bill=HB1441

 

Perhaps this is more about paternal rights than abortion.

 

From the OP: ""new proposed House Bill, 1441, which would require women to get permission from the father of the child in order to be able to get an abortion. Personally I think we need laws like these"""

There are NO "paternal rights" when it comes to abortion, NONE.

Men have NO right to own women....that's slavery, it's illegal.

 

While I don't think the father's consent should be required by law, it should be a necessity in any functioning relationship.

 

If you think the father should have a say do you realize that it can go both ways once started....a man could then have the right to force a woman to have an abortion, force is force.

NO, it is not a necessity for a woman to get permission from anyone on what to do with her own body...

 

Sure, but at that point it's only the decision of the father. What I meant was that it was a joint decision between both parents.

Abortion is a pretty big deal, and it usually helps maintain the relationship if you talk over such matters.

Like, are you saying it would be a good thing if two people in a relationship lied and kept secrets from eachother?

 

Which would be followed by some rule requiring a DNA test be conducted on the unborn child to determine if the person claiming to be the father really is the father.....really nothing but another in a long line of legislation doomed for the trash heap no matter which way it goes.

 

Instead of requiring the father's permission to abort the child, let's just require the father's permission to carry a child to term. Otherwise, off to jail with your fine self.

 

No, I never said anyone should lie and women don't have to. It's their body and their choice alone. If they choose abortion they don't have to lie about it.


IF they wish to discuss it with the father that's fine, discussion is one thing, having to get "permission" is another thing that should never happen.

Yes, I do think it's quite all right for couples to keep secrets from each other....being a couple does not mean you own each other.

 

In a healthy relationship, a discussion would lead to permission, although I feel like that's a poor word to use.

I'd imagine for a lot of people, not even having a discussion on something as serious as abortion would be enough to end that relationship.

What kind of secrets?

No, but it does imply that you have a more intimate relationship with the other person, so more secret things are generally shared.

 

I agree, "permission" is not only a poor word to use but has no place in a healthy relationship.

It could, that's their business, no one else's.

Any they don't want the other to know about....for instance , I have heard that some couples feel they need to tell the other all about former relationships...that's a load of hooey!

That's true, but again, no one owns anyone and no one has an obligation to expose any secrets, that's for each couple to decide.

 

I thought it was good. I like puns.

 

What if a woman is the father?

 

Do fathers get a say in the abortion of their unborn child?

Sure, if they are a seahorse....
http://animals.mom.me/male-seahorses-give-birth-4198.html

 

Are you talking about asexual reproduction?(I'm not sure what the scientific term is for fertilisation of an ovum without the use of sperm) ?

 

So you're saying under no circumstances permission should be required for anything in a healthy relationship?

Because I'm fairly certain that somewhat defeats the point.

So you admit that such matters need to be discussed in order for many people to have a functioning relationship?

Willful ignorance =/= keeping secrets

And if the vast majority of lasting couples share this trait, then that would probably mean that it is pretty much required to have a relationship, no?

 

There's a big difference between a law requiring the father give permission and the mother secretly doing it without telling the father. In the former the women is denied her right to choose. In the later the father's trust and confidence in his partner is betrayed. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that it may not end well for the relationship. It'd be one the most horrible acts of treachery and deceit I can think of, but no rights have been taken away from the father.

 

Defeats what point?

No, when you form a relationship such as getting married neither partner owns the other...kids need "permission" from their parents, adults in a relationship do NOT need "permission" unless they married their mom or dad...

What needs to be discussed is up to the parties involved, NO one else.

Not sure what you mean by that but just because a person forms a relationship doesn't mean the other partner deserves to be told every detail of the other's life...if they want to fine....(but I couldn't think of anything more boring...)

.What trait?

I said:

....., no one owns anyone and no one has an obligation to expose any secrets, that's for each couple to decide.

 

Do father's get a say ... ?
The day one of them dies from complications of pregnancy.

 

Why do kids need permission from their parents? Because it damages the relationship (also authority issues)

Why do people in a relationship need permission from their significant other? In certain situations, it may upset the other person, thus resulting in damage to the relationship, or it just flat out ending. So while permission isn't inherently needed, it can be a necessity towards maintaining that relationship.

Sure, but the successful actions of other people may often lead to successful results with another group of people.

And I doubt the other person would want to know, but that isn't secret keeping. That's just apathy.

However, if the other person in the relationship wants to know (and I'd imagine that would be the case when dealing with abortion), not telling them is secret keeping.

Not keeping secrets.

How many lasting relationships do you think exist in which both people knowingly lie to eachother on a regular basis?

Saying that secret keeping and lying in a relationship doesn't damage the relationship is just flat out wrong.