How a Conservative Activist Invented the Conflict Over Critical Race Theory

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  1. Jack Hays

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    I don't see any stalling at all. I see a failure of will and commitment among some, notably the authors and advocates of CRT. They too will be overcome, as other obstacles to fulfillment of MLK's dream have been.
     
  2. Jack Hays

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    You seem to be at odds with MLK.

    ". . . And I said to him, "It is coincidental and quite significant, and I think when I get to Atlanta and go to my pulpit, I will try to preach a sermon in the spirit of the founding fathers of our nation and in the spirit of the Declaration of Independence." And so this morning I would like to use as a subject from which to preach: "The American Dream." (Yes, sir)

    It wouldn’t take us long to discover the substance of that dream. It is found in those majestic words of the Declaration of Independence, words lifted to cosmic proportions: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by God, Creator, with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness." This is a dream. It’s a great dream.

    The first saying we notice in this dream is an amazing universalism. It doesn’t say "some men," it says "all men." It doesn’t say "all white men," it says "all men," which includes black men. It does not say "all Gentiles," it says "all men," which includes Jews. It doesn’t say "all Protestants," it says "all men," which includes Catholics. (Yes, sir) It doesn’t even say "all theists and believers," it says "all men," which includes humanists and agnostics. . . ."
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    "We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men (All right) are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, ( ...
     
  3. Lee Atwater

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    Obstacles like systemic racism and those who deny its existence so vehemently they believe it's a detriment to society to discuss it honestly.
     
  4. Lee Atwater

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    I acknowledge what you want to sweep under the rug. The brutal subjugation of blacks brought to America and their subsequent systemic mistreatment.
     
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    How was this taught incorrectly in the past?

    And how is that even remotely related to teaching that current white people today need to feel ashamed and guilty for being white?

    It's funny, when components of CRT come up as being taught in middle school, liberals say, "that's not really CRT" (when it is).

    THEN, when challenged on the laws being passed that outlaw CRT, liberals say, "CRT is just about teaching accurate history and teaching that blacks were treated badly" - which has been part of the curriculum for a LONG time now.

    Liberals love to misrepresent what is being taught in schools. Denial and misrepresentation is on full display from the left when it comes to teaching CRT and it's offspring concepts in public schools.
     
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    To what do you attribute the cavernous disparities between American blacks and whites regarding family wealth, unemployment, health, incarceration, education, family stability? Is it, as you once intimated, the inherent inferiority of blacks?
     
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    One problem with CRT is that it's an impediment to honest discussion. It's a lawyer's tool, for use in adversarial proceedings.
     
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    No need to repeat your opinion. I got it the first few times.
     
  9. Jack Hays

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    You will find no post of mine arguing (or intimating) for the inherent inferiority of Blacks. You should be ashamed of the allegation. There are "cavernous disparities" between all sorts of subpopulations in the US. Blacks have no doubt suffered from the enduring aftereffects of slavery and discrimination, but that recognition is well short of a justification for CRT.
     
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    And you still evade it.
     
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    Culture, lack of effort. Poor parenting. A high rate of out-of-wedlock births. Democrats pandering to all of this. The explanation is easy. But fixing the solution would require Democrats stop pandering to blacks, and that's not going to happen.

    Democrats assume that blacks cannot succeed in society on their own merits (and are therefore inferior to other races). That's the base assumption, and it's as clear as day.
     
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    And you want to go around in sack cloth and ashes. I am satisfied with the attention paid to slavery already. No reason to make 5th graders or anybody else feel guilry about stuff they didn't do. And it is not productive to make blacks angry at Whites for what is now ancient history,
     
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    If the goal is more of racial divide, then by all means! Teach CRT in public schools and let's all watch the country socially burn in racial hate and divide! Sounds like fun!
     
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    Blacks are good at running and jumping, not so good at solving differential equations. So long as society values enginnering more than basketball you will have that disparity
     
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    I have no idea how he managed to get ahead in such a racist social structure. We need to handle this, stat!
     
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    I think you should give up. Your solution will just make things worse.
     
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    Heh! I think that you not recognizing "Russia, Russia, Russia" and the Fine People Hoax as conspiracy theories speak for themselves.
     
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    "Colorblind" is a concept of the civil rights era. I'm sorry you are not familiar with it.

    As the kids say, educate yourself.
     
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    I was quite sure I recalled you posting a link to an article suggesting blacks are genetically inferior when it comes to intelligence. It must have been someone else named Jack.
     
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    You probably confusing him with Mr. Meoff?....His first name is Jack also!
     
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    The term was never used by the leaders of the civil rights movement. It's mostly been used by those who want to get rid of affirmative action, a principle actually advocated for by the Civil Rights Movement.

    So you want us to be a colorblind society. What does that mean? Does that mean that if you have an inherent race based advantage, you keep it and those without it are out of luck? Or do you offset that advantage based solely on race and seek to ensure going forward that people are judged solely on their character? Your posts put you in the former camp, the person who wants colorblind to simply mean, stop whining black people and take what you get and be happy with it. I mean, racism still exists, right? Hence why you want a colorblind society? Or no? Lots of questions to answer here, I'll let you think on it.

    I don't talk like kids to what I presume are other adults, but maybe I should in this case?
     
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    This ramble doesn't address anything. It cites critical race theory and then cites other events that have nothing to do with it. In particular, the example from the Smithsonian was merely pointing out that often times other people are judged through the lens of white culture. It doesn't mean to say that punctuality is inherently racist. But there are other cultures in this country where being on time isn't valued as much. So should we force people to be punctual because our culture says it's important? How much force should apply if any? That was the point, not the twisted, illogical mess the author made it out to be simply to win an unwinnable argument.

    The bottom line is this country was established by white people for white people. It's institutions were set up for the exclusive use of white people. Non-white people were at best tolerated and at worst enslaved in may cases. Those are simple facts about our history. We can acknowledge and address them or we can ignore them. The better outcome is the former.
     
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    And my commentary clearly separated myself from the expressed view.
     
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    You remain opposed to MLK and his legacy.
     

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