How big a problem is racism in the USA?

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  1. Mircea

    Mircea Well-Known Member

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    You're right. It isn't a big problem. It isn't even a problem at all.

    Just like 10% of the population will always be criminals, 10% will always be racist, or sexist or "insensitive."

    Unless you wanna start giving people lobotomies, there's nothing that can be done about it.

    The Liberal demand for a Perfect World™ is nothing but sheer fantasy, and the time, energy and money spent trying to create something that can never exist is not just stupid, it's futile.

    99% of the incidents alleged to be "racist" (or "sexist") aren't racist at all. At most, it's rudeness, and whatever the offending act or comment was is something that person would say to a member of their own family, or another of the same race.

    We need to also recognize that Liberals have changed the definition of racism to whatever they want it to be.

    Racism is the belief that a race or ethnic group is superior to others.

    Using the "n"-word is no more racist than calling someone a WASP.

    A White police officer shooting a Black man is not inherently racist, and everyone ignores the fact that Black police officers also shoot Black men for the same reasons.

    Liberals would have us believe that any incident between people of different races/ethnic groups is inherently racist, but that defies logic and reality and worse, the Lame Stream Media is all too happy to fuel the feeding frenzy.

    One way to deal with that is not to participate. I haven't seen a network news broadcast in going on 30 years and I haven't suffered even an iota. There's plenty of other news sources and voting with your remote control is one way to restore sanity.
     
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    Yes, I'm trying not to watch, and I usually do not, but I shouldn't slow down to look at car wrecks, either.

    With each generation, there is less and less social separation of the races. Hopefully the antagonism that elements of all races feel towards others will wither away completely. If it does, it won't be due to affirmative action.
     
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    You present one metric, disparity, and claim that it "proves" racism, when it does no such thing. You are making the charge against the American People so you have the burden of proof.

    I gave you this one previously and you promptly fled:
    • 90% of incarcerated persons in America are male, does this "prove" that the system is biased against males?
    Here's another:
    • 90% of workplace deaths each year are males. Does this "prove" that the workplace is biased against males?
    In neither case does the disparity "prove" bigotry, yet, you keep trying to sell the load that statistical disparity "proves" national guilt. You yourself are actually proving the opposite. You would not be reduced to this false argument if you could actually show that America is the nation of racists that you slander us to be. But you can't, because we aren't. So you are reduced to the false use of stats and Smollett like fake hate crimes.

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    This slander of the American People coming out of the Left isn't selling, because it's a much too obvious pack of lies being pushed by racist haters.
    Note the bold, the same load of crap you're trying to peddle.
    https://thevirginiastar.com/2021/06...ose-teaching-critical-race-theory-in-schools/

    Well, where it is necessary we will educate those folks on just how toxic this racist poison is.
     
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    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    My story??? You are confusing me with someone else.
     
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    And borne of immense privilege and sense of entitlement.

    Imagine actually thinking that you .. by sheer accident of birth .. are owed perfect safety, plenty, freedom, and endless options. At the same time you also believe yourself entitled to lifetime protection from mean tweets and words which upset you.

    We're talking about a clinical level of narcissism and infantalism - en masse. It's very very bad, actually.
     
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    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    I'm sure the Chicoms will take our sensitivities into consideration when they tire of taking our wealth and jobs and come for our land.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Bogus point...I presented many metrics. The most important were the opinions of African Americans which are apparently less valuable then the opinion of an old white guy.

    Bogus point: 90% of incarcerated persons in America are male, "does not prove" that the system is biased against males. Proof would be unequal treatment based on sex or race.
    An example of proof would be whites got 36% more call backs then blacks for jobs with identical resumes.

    Bogus point: CRT is not taught in schools, it is a class in law grad school that was made into a right-wing boogey man by Tucker and the Donald.
     
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    Fake news it's brilliant point that destroys your fact-free slander.
    Fake news, you keep presenting variants of the same metric, statistical disparity rather than actual evidence of systematic racism.
    More of your racism. What gives a claim strength is how well it fits real world evidence, it has nothing to do with the skin color of who promotes it. Your world view is deeply infected with racism. The good news is that you can overcome this.
    Gee, then why is forbidding vile racist CRT tropes in schools such a problem for the Left?
    ~ Racist Ibram X. Kendi
    "Manhattan Institute’s Chris Rufo have laid bare for all to see, CRT takes the form of crass racial indoctrination that ascribes collective and historical guilt to white Americans and accuses schools of “spirit murdering” black children."

    In our Constitutional Liberal Democracy part of our thesis statement that undergirds our society is “that all men are created equal.” CRT is antithetical to our foundational American principle. Real, genuine human equality are woven into our legal and social fabric by the 14th Amendment and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that does not allow the crass and overt bigotry of CRT.

    CRT is likely already illegal under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, but many states have wisely crafted and passed legislation specifically banning the vile racist doctrines of CRT and prevent radical union school teachers from pedagogy corrupting the youth we entrust to the classroom and it's entirely right and proper that they do so.

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    Oh yeah :D
     
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    Unfortunately, according to CRT theory it does.

    "When I See Racial Disparities, I See Racism" Kendi
     
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    Racism is such a problem, foreigners are breaking in by climbing over and tunneling under a wall. And whilst they're in America with such levels of Racism, they don't want to move back to where they came from.

    So, racism is not a problem.
     
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    Your "brilliant point" was kinda dumb. "I" am not "slandering" the American People, it is the opinion of a subculture that racism continues and we need to work against it.

    Certain parties think it was over in '65 and any work to understand the history and point out the continued presence of racism in the work place or school is mislabeled as the vast left-wing conspiracy "CRT", which racists eagerly latched on to. CRT has been made into the right-wing boogey man by the right-wing media (Tucker) and some have even made it their career (Rufo). It is all the current rage to scare the old-timers with the opinions of a single Black guy (Kendi) taken to stand in for the opinions of an entire race. It's like taking the opinions of Rachel Maddow for the opinions of the entire white race. As opinion polls show Black, Brown and Asian Americans see a problem where some whites don't. Those whites feel attacked and fear.
     
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    No. It was fabulous.
    The hell these claims aren't. You're back-pedaling because you are wrong. We are not an systemically racist people in a racist society system with light skinned people systemically "oppressing" darker skinned people.
    If that's the case, then you can quantify individual acts of rights violations identifying both the violator and the person violated with an actionable case.
    CRT is a vile leftwing conspiracy, nutty enough that it's not likely vast, with children being forcibly indoctrinated in it, with tax payers buying the teaching materials, providing the facilities and paying the teachers that are dumping this putrid filth and hate all over innocent children while slandering and circumventing the parents. Then when parents stood up and objected, they were slandered as "terrorists" and even dirtbag Molech Garland got the DOJ involved, set up snitch lines all while not disclosing that his own daughter was profitting handsomely by selling the garbage materials to schools being used to present this filth.
    He's a racist, separatist, and an open advocate of discrimination and schools are buying his materials and presenting his vile concepts to children.
    First, their skin color doesn't matter.
    Second, if they feel they have been unjustly acted against then they need to build that case if they want to take legitimate action against an unjust trespass. I think that ultimately our laws and constitution will bar this filth in the classroom, but, that can be a time consuming process, in the meantime, our elected representative State Legislatures are properly propagating laws that bar these harmful concepts from being forced on children in the public classroom, and it's perfectly proper that they should do so.
     
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    https://indiancountrytoday.com/news/tribes-lacking-water-see-hope-with-massive-bill

    Why wasn't anything done about this for 3 years? Why do American Indians live in such poverty and deprivation?
     
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    Actually, I'm pretty sure that like so many on the political right, you form your opinions of "liberals" not by meeting them and chatting with them so much as you do by absorbing what RW extreme media says about them. In fact, I'll bet you watch and listen to more RW sources than middle-of-the-road sources like ABC, CBS, Reuters, Associated Press, etc. And the problem is that you've bought into the lies about "liberals" and then you're spreading them and thereby contributing to the problems of division, conflict, intolerance, etc.

    For example, there's no "liberal demand for a Perfect World". That is just a hook by which your RW sources grab you to get you to join in the ceaseless attacks on those who have views different from yours. Again, liberals have not "changed the definition of racism". Unlike the right, we gradually evolve in our understanding in order to better understand how we participate in the problems of society so we can stop and work for solutions and progress. That's why we refer to ourselves as "progressive".

    "Racism is the belief that a race or ethnic group is superior to others."

    So is it not racist to say and believe blacks have a knack for rhythm?
    Why do security personnel follow blacks around in stores? No racism there?
    Why do so many think a black person jogging through the neighborhood is "suspicious" enough to confront him? No racism there?
    Trump and his Republicans telling black and hispanic Representatives (who were born in the USA) to go back where they came from isn't racist?

    Your definition is wanting. It reflects a bit of learned racism. WE ALL have bits of learned racism. The difference between the left and the right is that the left works to understand and eliminate them from our psyche.
     
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    No and yes. You and I know it has to do with systemic racism.
     
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    You need to read the book The Peculiar Institution by Kenneth Stampp

    In 1860 Slaves constituted the largest asset of any kind that existed in the USA and it was growing. Indeed one of several main causes of the Civil War was the slaveholder's efforts to spread the institution into the Territories. It's imminent demise had been predicted since Revolutionary times and was one reason why so many slaveholders gave slaves their freedom on their deathbed, but then the Cotton Gin was invented.

    It also wouldn't hurt to read Slavery As A Positive Good, by John C. Calhoun, if you can take it
     
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    It continues....as I've said many time the right diminishes or dismisses the claims of an entire group of people and lack any empathy for them, as you clearly demonstrate.

    You also demonstrate, as I mentioned earlier, through the "CRT" boogey man, the sense of being attacked and fear brought on by the complaints of a race against the dominate society (and many cases have been built).
     
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    Fake News. It is not I who attempt to divide us into groups and name one oppressed and another oppressors, all based on immutable characteristics rather than acts of volition and force-feed this garbage on children telling the majority of them that their parents are racists while declaring they they need not provide any evidence of their specific parents guilt.

    You are perfectly free to believe such lies, but, you are not entitled to our facilities and resources to teach these lies about us to our children. We fund education for our children and grandchildren to ensure that they are trained in good character and learn the fundamentals that define knowledge and began to lift us out of the Dark Ages of a thousand years ago. Each of us has the ability to affect societal norms and public order; each of us need to be committed to the centrality of initiative, enterprise, industry, and thrift for a sound economy and a healthy society. Our freedom depends on a limited government, our foreign policy on a prudent statesmanship in international relations.

    For too long we Americans have failed to confidently and effectively engage the juggernaut of 'progressive' usurpation. For decades we tolerated the one-way ratchet of 'progressive' imposition believing the false promise that if we conceded ground that they would be satiated and allow all of us to remain at peace. Well, clearly that's not the case. They coordinated to burn our cities, tear down our statues, drive a president from office, and failing that, using the cover of a pandemic, rigged an election to get an imbecile inaurgurated while they insisted that we must conceded to intact males in our daughters school restrooms, slammed the father of a subsequently raped daughter to the ground and had him arrested when he protested and then had the idiot AG put out a warning that such objectors would be deemed "Domestic Terrorists" all while bringing in an attack of who we are as a nation, a people, and a society, branding us vile and declaring the entire project of securing individual freedom and liberty as being the systematic oppression of one group by another. If you have not realized that we are done backing up in the face of this blizzard of lies and aggression, you are not paying attention, and we will continue to lawfully confront these illegitimate aggressions, in our representative legislatures, at the ballot box and in the Courtroom.
    You do repeat yourself, because you are repeating the thoughts and concepts of others, not your own, so when they are refuted, you simply recite what you have been told by others. None of the bans on CRT are bans of the labels, rather, they forbid the vile hateful concepts, which the radical union school teachers respond to with a self-refuting defense.
    i) That they aren't being taught, and
    ii) That they will fight tooth and nail any attempt to prohibit the instruction that they claim isn't taking place!

    Have fun defending that in a Court Filing where evidence is compelled, sworn to and must be supported in order to prevail.
    https://www.realclearinvestigations...8528.html?mc_cid=4bca7060fb&mc_eid=27039f81eb

    You fool no one, and yes, the intellectual battle is joined.
     
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    What about the communities in remotes that are not native Indian with poor water supply?

    What about Australians in the outback that have to use rainwater harvesters?

    Racism or logistics of location and cost. Answers on a postcard please.

    Racism is not a problem, it's those that believe racism is rife, is the problem. I wish they got to grips with the word.
     
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    Excellent point. I bet the folks getting better results are working harder to obtain them.

    I happened to come on a group of Asian kids sitting around eating lunch doing an impromptu skit. They were holding their eyes open obviously mocking "round eyes". They all had their books with them and they were conversing and interacting rather than isolated on their handheld phones. The dialogue was even more interesting, each line was delivered by another person and went something like this:
    • I'm so hungry and have nothing to eat.
    • If only I had some money!
    • But, instead of working I was up all night playing videos games!
    • Wait a minute, I have a credit card!
    Then they all burst into uproarious laughter.

    Abandoning Standardized Tests Part of Harvard’s War on Asians. “In short, they’re getting rid of objective tests so as to give more power to admissions bureaucrats.”
    The Woke Privileged Gentry Is Slamming Shut The Gates.
    And, it will make Harvard's already extensive discrimination against Asians much harder to prove. All they are doing is picking up the anti-Semitic tools of the first half of the 20th century and using them against Asians.

    The Gentry class, as soon as they get to the top, they pull up the ladders and only throw ropes to their own. Harvard admissions already has far too much power over US society.
    Knowing this, be less impressed with a Harvard degree.
     
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    Well, first, not all blacks believe in CRT and many of them are critics of the theory and Kendis version of CRT is no different than all of CRT. And math tests werent systemic racism before or after 65.
     
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    Not all blacks support CRT and many of them are the loudest critics.
     
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    You spent 176 years stealing wealth from everyone else, and now you're mad because you think the "Chicoms" are stealing your wealth?

    Concerning "Chicom" sensitivities, let us hope the Chinese are more forgiving than Americans.

    You had a colony in China and were a not-nice Colonial Power for decades before you abandoned your colony to focus on stealing wealth from Central and South American States.

    After WW I, you had Colonies in China again and again were a not-nice Colonial Power -- the one's Germany was forced to give up.

    Parks in China had big banners and signs proclaiming "No Dogs or Chinese Allowed."

    Accordingly, don't have a melt-down if you see signs in American parks proclaiming " No Dogs or Americans Allowed."

    Regarding jobs, that's 100% your fault.

    The US should have moved into the 5th Level Economy in the late 1990s. The 5th Level Economy is R&D and by all rights, 20% of your GDP should be coming from R&D and R&D jobs.

    Except it ain't, because of people like you --you know, Liberals.

    Liberals destroyed the education system. This is one of the few countries on Earth that lets students graduate without being fluent in a foreign language, but then American kids can barely read, write and speak English.

    Liberals let kids graduate without taking any math in high school, or any sciences -- and, no, "natural science" or "Earth science" is not science. Chemistry, biology, botany and physics are science.

    And then my tax dollars are wasted on college remedial English, math and science courses to teach kids who should be shot for being on a college campus things they should have learned in high school.

    And you got the nerve to complain the rest of the world is taking your jobs.

    Sorry, but neither China nor the rest of the world need the US, but you desperately need them to kiss your ass.

    China's doing everything right. You're doing everything wrong.

    You go into a 3rd/4th World State with your 92%/8% trade agreements and steal 92% of that country's wealth, and then US companies engage in fraud by fraudulently devaluing their assets to avoid paying the paltry 8% royalties you owe them under the Treaties, and even that wouldn't be so bad, except US companies pay no taxes, which leaves those countries with nothing.

    Then the US will agree to loan those countries money, but only if they buy US military hardware which does nothing for the Standard of Living for those people and if the countries refuse, you tell them to get bent and go see the IMF.

    Colombia wanted to build a canal in their Province of Panama, but they lacked the money and engineering expertise. They came to the US in friendship to build the canal joint and share in the profits, but the US stabbed Colombia in the back like a cowardly sissy.

    The US sent mercenaries to the Colombian Province of Panama and murdered Colombia government officials and US Citizens living and working in the Province, and then the US used that as an excuse to invade the Province of Panama and seize it for itself so that it got 100% of the profits from the Canal.

    A half-dozen States in South America begged you to build a Trans-Andean highway, railroad and pipeline, but you refused because that would cut into profits from the Panama Canal and even after you gave away the Canal

    The Chinese got the Canal now. Those same South American States didn't have to beg China to build the Trans-Andean System. They only had to ask and the Chinese were Johnny-on-the-spot to build it. China didn't care about profits from the Canal, they only cared about the greater volume of profits from the Canal and the Trans-Andean System, because that would spur economic development in South America.

    You think Americans are entitled to live large and get paid high wages and have a high Standard of Living.

    Sorry, but there's no law, theorem or corollary in the inviolable Laws of Economics that supports your differently twisted belief.

    Fat Union Fred gets paid to $35/hour to operate a Japanese-made Nissei plastic-injection molding machine producing 24 plastic kitchen gadgets per hour.

    Ovidiu in Romania gets paid $2.00/hour to operate a Japanese-made Nissei plastic-injection molding machine producing 24 plastic kitchen gadgets per hour.

    Batalog the Filipino gets paid $0.60/hour to operate a Japanese-made Nissei plastic-injection molding machine producing 24 plastic kitchen gadgets per hour.

    Hi Chin in China gets paid $0.45/hour to operate a Japanese-made Nissei plastic-injection molding machine producing 24 plastic kitchen gadgets per hour.

    Long Wang in Vietnam gets paid $0.22/hour to operate a Japanese-made Nissei plastic-injection molding machine producing 24 plastic kitchen gadgets per hour.

    Ndele in Ghana gets paid $0.03/hour to operate a Japanese-made Nissei plastic-injection molding machine producing 24 plastic kitchen gadgets per hour.

    Which worker is more productive?

    That's a trick question. They are all equally productive.

    You say those are "slave wages?"

    Nope. Wrong answer. $35 = 2.00 RON = 0.60 PHP and note that 98% of Romanians own their own home.

    Your average Romania makes $372/month or about $2.35/hour.

    There are people in the US who earn $18/hour and still can't buy their own home, so who's actually richer?

    It isn't how much you make, it's how much can you buy with it.

    Even if you could manufacture plastic kitchen gadgets here, that's a waste of talent. That's like having a CPA work as a door-man at a night club counting how many people are allowed in.

    But, the real issue is China is lifting countries up. China develops their infrastructure which raises their Standard of Living and creates jobs which raises their Standard of Living even higher.

    The wage difference between Chinese workers and workers in Central, Southwest and Southeast Asia, South America and sub-Saharan Africa is not so great as the wage difference between Americans and those workers.

    That means China will have perpetual trading partners for the next several centuries, whereas you?

    Well, if you can't figure out how to make things cheaply, you're gonna have problems, and you're gonna have problems anyway, because the only way you can compete globally is if your wages stagnate until the rest of the World catches to you.
     

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