So you say "nonsense" & you say he is a Professor of Glasgow Univeristy - I say "so what ?" No one believes in so called "experts" anymore they are all liars & promote a biased view. You pick & choose which so called "experts" that you want to somehow backup your opinion. You have not given ANY reasonable debate or comments to back up your opinion. If you want to debate do it! Give a well thought out opinion & if you have a sensible independent rspected source then fair be it provide one. But stuff your biased Glasgow Univerity pro-EU slave masters. The only reason why all the University class are pro-EU is that they have been bought & sold by EU gold. It reminds me of the old trick of Aneurin Bevan .... "We shall stuff their mouths with gold"... No one trusts these sources anymore. The EU IS undemocratic & there is no argument on this fact. If you think the EU is democratic & that being a member of the EU & that "we can have a seat within that establishment" one where we can influence the workings of the EU ... then provide that evidence .... I say you can not! Because the EU commision is unelected & the EU commision generates all the laws of the EU. The Eu parliment can only vote "yes/no" & unlike our Britsish parliment can not refer any laws back with recommendatiosns. It is ia yes/no & they are told what to vote. I really don't understand why you want to be a slave. Please explain what is your "slave mentality"?
After a quick genocide? The peaceful nature of the people could change quite easily too. The fascist dream is over mate. You want it now, you have to kill a lot of lot of people. No means no and there is away to resolve the issue finally and absolutely if you would prefer.
Oh I think we can count on Nigel and Steven Wolf to keep a beady eye open for that possibility, and sound the alarm bells if necessary.
So... http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmselect/cmeuleg/633/63305.htm The professor Tomkins mentioned in that part is the author of the blog. He knows what he is talking about. Of course people listen to experts. Why wouldn't they? You're putting the cart before the horse. I base my opinion on information put forward by experts. It makes better sense to do that. I also research the expert concerned. Professor Tompkins is highly respected and knows what he's talking about. If you have proof he's corrupt, then let's see it. You mean you don't, because they prove you wrong. http://www.ia-forum.org/Files/MXEDMK.pdf Perhaps you'll like this one better, because it gives equal weight to all the arguments. The Lisbon Treaty gave the entirely elected European Parliament direct control of practically all EU policy, so you're wrong.. UKip MEPs didn't turn up to vote, so the idiots who put them in power can hardly complain about lack of democracy. I know there has to be a trade off when it comes to a country's total sovereignty. That has been the case for a very long time. I don't have a slave mentality. I look at the facts. Why don't you try it?
Look up the meaning of genocide You are funny. is that you teach at Cambridge? Come off it. Most people who voted to leave the EU believed the all the hype about pumping money into the NHS and all immigrants leaving the country. When they realise that isn't going to happen, they'll give up bothering.
There is a disconnect here between what most people believed and what it would advantage you for most people to have believed. You do not speak for them. They have spoken for themselves. They voted leave. You do not respect that because you do not respect them, and hence they will not respect you back. Because you do not deserve their respect.
Yes, diamond lil thinks she speaks for millions when she posts. It wouldn't be so bad if she had links to back up her "flim-flam" but she rarely does. Just another sorry & bitter pro-Independent Scot, pro-EU reaminer that feels very sore & bad about the way the World has turned out to-day. And because she has been so frequently on the loosing end of all the recent debates it must mentally effect her. If she wasn't so hateful I would feel sorry for her.
I do. Well, I'm not Scottish. I'm a born and bred Londoner. As pointless insults are all you any of you remainers have to offer in the way of rebuttal, I'll take it you cannot refute my arguments.
I know what they believed. They admit it. Because of the reasons I have provided. No one here has given one solid reason why it is in Britain's best interests to leave the EU. Not one. No, I don't respect them. Why should I?
Voting in a national 'event' is a very personal thing. Broadly speaking, if one is happy with his lot, he will vote for the status quo. The reverse is, of course, true. Perhaps if the Dodgy Duo of Downing Street had made some effort in explaining the benefits we personally get (and will retain) through our membership of the EU, rather than the envisaged catastrophic consequences of leaving, the result might have been different. Congratulations. Spoken like a true bigot.
The reasons you provided were your own reasons for voting remain. You have heard all their reasons for leaving the EU but you do not agree with them. You don't respect the people of great Britain and you feel no reason why you should. And so ultimately no one in this country is obliged to feel any respect for you. So we are done here. You live in a society you don't respect and you are unhappy about it. Noted.
Actually that is not what was said, no one stated we "spend" 350 Million, what was said is that we send 350 million .. which is true, and neither was it stared that any savings WOULD be spent on the NHS, again what was said is that it COULD be spent on the NHS. Again not one leave campaigner disputed that the UK got a rebate, and neither did Farage or others step back from at all, I suggest you actually read what as written and listen to what was said. Wrong, the freedom of movement was established by the Treaty of Maastricht in 1992, the UK had no veto on that agreement. A border existed between NI and the public before the EU even existed, and it wasn't a wall. Rubbish, unless you can time travel or predict the future you have absolutely no idea what agreements can or will be reached between the UK and the EU. BTW: We never had much say anyway, and as more and more countries joined the EU our influence became less and less. People have been migrating between countries long before the EU existed, all the UK leaving the EU has done is made it a little harder in both directions. Rubbish on the jobs being free, the main reason for the influx of foreign workers in the UK (especially farm/land workers) was because the farmers could pay them less in real terms ie pay the min wage but then charge them for accommodation etc. Just a little more scaremongering from Osborne, and the job losses in London due to Brexit are predicted to be very low as corporations will reorganize rather than leave and less affected sectors will grow. Much of the investment in London originates outside the EU. It comes from the United States, China, the Middle East, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia and Latin America. Neither Scotland or NI can call a referendum without Westminster's authorisation ... it won't happen, neither can they unilaterally "leave" the UK, and even if Scotland & NI did leave it would not have a "deep impact on British economy". Scotland costs more than it gives to the tune of £12.1bn in 2012/13, and NI costs more than it gives to the tune of £7.2bn, so in reality Scotland & NI cost the rest of the UK a total of £19.3bn more than they give.
Gosh if you re-read your post after your drunken haze fades then if you have any sanity you might actually feel a little ashamed in claiming your "speak for millions"
That explains an awful lot then, just another person disconnected from the majority of the UK living in their own little bubble. What arguments, everything you have put forward has been blown apart. BTW: Not a remainer.
@ Fugasi, farm pickers don't get paid minimum wage. The going rate is about £10 per hour round here. Happy days for Romanian work gangs who drive nicer vehicles than me. Farmers made up the core of UKIP support. The first in.
That may be as it is now .. however, I know for a fact - having grown up in the farming industry - that casual seasonal workers were paid the minimum allowed and then had money deducted for accommodation, electricity, water etc. this was done simply because the traditional seasonal farm workers were women and gypsies who the farmers could not charge. According to pay-scale.com the average hourly rate for a farm worker is £7.73 per hour. - http://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Job=Farm_Worker/Hourly_Rate and this is of course topped up by in work benefits, An EU Migrant arriving today would, after 3 months, receive : Working tax credit: £1,370 a year for over-25s who earn less than £9,850 Child tax credit: £6,605 a year for one child or £9,495 for two if they are working at least 16 hours a week with an income of less than £9,850 Child benefit: £1,076 a year for the eldest child if earning less than £50,000 Housing benefit: Up to £13,520 a year According to the entitledto website a single migrant man with a child aged 4, living in private rented accommodation working 42 hours per week at the average farm worker hourly rate of £7.73 would receive an additional £121.15 per week (£6,298.27 / year) from benefits, or £100.05 under the future Universal Credits scheme, or a total of £402.82 after tax & NI (or £381,72 under the Universal Credits Scheme) per week. Farm workers who live on the premises and if the accommodation isn’t a house - for example, a caravan - can be paid £4.82 less each day they stay there (£33.74 per week, £134.96 per month) Wrong, Mega-farms supported UKIP, not standard or small farms, and UKIP's score support comes from all parts of the social scale.
I'm still in the farming community. I still own a small farm and still live on one. And small farms have been displaying UKIP banners by the roadsides for decades. I have never met a farmer who is pro EU. Not one.
As I said mega-farms. According to a survey done in the Farmers Weekly, 58% of English farmers supported a Brexit vote on June 23 while just 31 per cent wanted to remain in the EU. - which BTW goes against the findings of the NFU whose own survey clearly showed that the majority of farmers wanted to remain in the EU - https://www.nfuonline.com/news/eu-r...-news/nfu-survey-of-members-on-eu-referendum/ BTW - Could I ask that you use the "Reply with Quote" feature as it is very difficult to know when someone has responded without the notification using it gives.
http://www.farmersjournal.ie/95-of-irish-farmers-support-eu-membership-182104 http://www.reuters.com/article/britain-eu-farming-idUSL8N1972TS You want me to find numbers for other countries too? I have met Italians, Danes and Portuguese farmers who were all very happy about the CAP. It is interesting to note that British farmers were among the biggest supporters of the EU in the previous referendum in the 70's. Now that CAP is receiving less funds their support has dwindled because as all Brits they are in it for their own selfish benefit and nothing else. Good riddance as I have said all along.
So why are you pro EU if there is no benefit to yourself? Answer, because you think there is. And so you think other people should be charitable to you. Do things against their own interests simply to better yours. But would you do the same in return? Absolutely not. And therein lies the problem. A load of blaggers trying to guilt us into paying for them. Trying to rip us off. Well we are wise to you. Now you will have to work for a living. Lazy pigs.
no problem .. personally I think UK farmers will end up better off outside of the EU, I hope it will lead to them actually getting the prices they should for their produce.
