How 'christian' of christian clerics in Uganda

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    Most of what is told about Terah, the father of Abraham, is recorded in Genesis 11:26–28. Terah's father was Nahor, son of Serug, descendants of Shem. They and many of their ancestors were polytheistic.

    Regarding his children, Terah had three sons: Abram (better known by his later name Abraham), Haran, and Nahor II.

    Abraham and Terah were from Mespotamia NOT Africa.

    http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/112063/jewish/Abrahams-Early-Life.htm
     
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    and they werent hebrews either until they left sumeria
     
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    The probably didn't exist at all except as a literary device... but, it is very clear that the ancient people of Mesopotamia and the Levant, Arabia and Syria were not black. They were Aryan.
     
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    it is clear to anybody who knows history that they were black, as the sumerians were black, that is what their name means. you wish they were aryan because you are aryan, that is just you bias overwhelming you, thats what many white "scholars" could never over come too.
     
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    How and where in Africa did Christianity begin? In what city or village?
     
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    Israel and Egypt, which are both afrikan.

    THE average Christian has probably never suspected that the Gospels he cherishes contain many points of similarity with ancient Egyptian teachings. While it is true that the Gospels, and the Bible as a whole, has been subjected to close scrutiny by scholars for some time now, especially during the last hundred years, most of them have never even suggested that the Gospels may very well have been based on the Ritual of the Egyptian Book of the Dead. The two scholars that appear to have given most attention to this bold thesis are GERALD MASSEY (1828-1907) and the late Theosophical writer, DR. ALVIN BOYD KUHN (1881-1963), a personal friend and correspondent of the present writer.

    GERALD MASSEY, English poet and Egyptologist, devoted over thirty years of his life to a study of the ancient Egyptian civilization. This writer has drawn extensively in this article from Book IV of his "Ancient Egypt the Light of the World".

    The Egyptian Book of the Dead is of great antiquity. Massey tells us that Chapter 64 of its Ritual dates back some 6,000 years ago to the first dynasty reign of KING SEPTI. MADAME BLAVATSKY, the eminent Theosophical esotericist, claims an even earlier date. In her article "Esotericism of Christian Dogma" (Cf. H. P. BLAVATSKY, Collected Writings (1887), p. 373) she states: ". . . .the New Testament is but a Western allegory founded upon the universal Mysteries, the first historical traces of which, in Egypt alone, go back at least to 6,000 years before the Christian era." This was written some twenty years before Massey himself stated: "No Egyptologist has ever dreamed that the Ritual still exists under the disguise of both the gnostic and canonical gospels, or that it was the fountain-head and source of all the books of wisdom claimed to be divine" (Op. cit., p. 2). Let us therefore proceed to a consideration of some of the many parallels existing between the Book of the Dead and the canonical Gospels.


    Horus and Jesus


    Massey devoted considerable attention to noting the large number of parallels between Horus and Jesus. In his article "Is Christianity Christian?" written for Ancient Wisdom in 1962, DR. ALVIN BOYD KUHN pointed out that there were at least 180 of these close similarities.

    Both JESUS and HORUS are viewed as divine personages by their respective followers. HORUS is the son of the virgin Isis, just as JESUS is the son of the virgin MARY (one cannot help but interject here the detail that the Hindu Saviour KRISHNA is born of the virgin MARI, although both have earthly fathers, OSIRIS and JOSEPH, respectively. OSIRIS, according to the Egyptian mythology, was tragically dismembered by SUT, his evil adversary. But his son HORUS and his wife ISIS reassembled him in Amenta, the heavenly earth. After this peculiar task is completed, OSIRIS mysteriously rises from the dead as his son HORUS. The reader can thus see that HORUS and his father are to some extent identical or one and the same person; likewise, JESUS´S remark, "I and the Father are one" becomes an easy parallel to make—not to mention the Christian belief that after his resurrection Jesus ascends to his father in heaven (note that HORUS becomes OSIRIS in the heavenly earth of Amenta).

    The Book of the Dead stresses the doings of HORUS, both on the ordinary earth and in the heavenly earth of Amenta, while Jesus is supposed to have done his deeds on the temporal earth, yet both are represented as carrying out their father´s will. Chapter 18 of the Ritual informs us that while he was on earth Horus carried out "divine plans". This was accomplished "in the absence of his father". MASSEY tells us what these actions were:

    "He makes firm the battlements to protect OSIRIS against the assaults of all the powers of darkness. He makes the word of OSIRIS truth against his enemies. He opposes SUT, his father´s adversary, to the death. He makes war upon the evil Apap, that old serpent, and overthrows the powers that rise up in rebellion, which are called the Rebels in the Ritual, who are ever doomed to failure in the fight between them and the father, who is now represented by Horus his beloved son, Horus of the resurrection, who is himself the door in death as the means of entrance to Amenta" (ibid., p. 83).


    It is not difficult to see in the above divine mission of Horus parallels with the equally divine mission of JESUS. JESUS comes to earth as a beloved son to do the will of his father. The devil leads him into a wilderness and subjects him to temptations, but JESUS resists his evil adversary and triumphs over him. The devil is referred to as a serpent in Genesis. JESUS is said to resurrect from his death on the cross and ascend to his father in heaven. Jesus states, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but by me" ´(John 14: 6).

    JESUS at the temple in Jerusalem astounds the teachers with his questions and understanding. He seemingly has the knowledge of an adult. Likewise a strange event takes place in Horus´s life when he is twelve years of age: he is suddenly transformed into his father OSIRIS, becoming an adult of thirty years of age. JESUS is twelve when he is at the temple in Jerusalem. We do not hear of him again until he is thirty years of age and comes to the Jordan river to be baptized by JOHN the Baptist. Heaven is opened and the Holy Spirit descends to him in the form of a dove. A voice from heaven announces, "Thou art my beloved Son; with thee I am well pleased" (Luke 3: 22, RSV). At the age of twelve Horus is baptized by Anup the Baptizer, but it is not until he is thirty (soon afterwards) that he is permitted to take the final mystery of the resurrection. As he is being transformed in the Tattu mystery in Amenta, the holy ghost descends upon Horus in the form of a bird (Ritual, ch. 17; Massey, p. 65).

    JESUS went to a pool in Jerusalem called Bethesda, where he performed several healings (John 5). According to Massey, there is a pool of righteousness in Amenta : "In this pool the glorified elect receive their final purification and are healed. They are thus made pure for the presence of OSIRIS" (MASSEY, op. cit., p. 100). While it is true that Jesus allegedly healed a sick man outside the Bethesda pool, other ill individuals had gone there to bathe in the pool´s five porticoes for healing purposes.

    Other parallels noted by Massey, to cite only a few, are, as follows:

    EGYPTIAN

    Iu or Horus, the manifesting Son of God.
    The ever-coming Messu or Child as
    Egyptian.
    Osiris, whom Horus Loved.
    Horus, the Gracious Child.
    Horus, the Word Made Flesh.
    Horus, The Krst.
    Horus, The Word Made Truth.
    CHRISTIAN

    Jesus, the manifesting Son of God.
    The Hebrew Messianic Child.

    Lazarus, whom Jesus Loved.
    Jesus, the Child Full of Grace.
    Jesus, the Word Made Flesh.
    Jesus, The Christ.
    Jesus, The Doer Of The Word.


    Ancient Egyptian "Sacraments"


    As we have learned previously, baptism was practised in the ancient Egyptian mystery rites. It appears that a form of holy communion was also common. Massey informs us that the blood of Horus was drunk in the form of beer or wine and the body of Horus eaten in the form of heavenly bread (p. 98). Even extreme unction has its basis in the Egyptian Ritual. In the first chapter of the latter the priest says, "I lustrate with water in Tattu and anoint with oil, in Abydos."


    Purgatory and the Final Reward


    Unlike the Christian conception of hell, the Egyptian version was not eternal in duration. Only the most unreconcilably debased souls had anything to fear—their fate was to suffer extinction (even this is not particularly unjust if one believes in reincarnation). On his journey through Amenta, OSIRIS-HORUS passes safely through the "lake of flame" (the Christian notion of a fiery hell also appears to have originated in the Egyptian Ritual). In the Gospel of MARK (9: 43-44), JESUS speaks of "the unquenchable fire" in hell; likewise, the Egyptian hell-fire is unquenchable. The souls of men go to a place of purgation called the Meskat, where in order to became purified they must first be beaten or scourged. This is somewhat reminiscent of JESUS´S scourging on the way to Golgotha. The righteous souls of men who had endured Meskat were finally able to receive their heavenly reward in the places prepared far them by Tum "above the earth." Here they celebrate a form of holy communion by eating bread and drinking beer at the table of OSIRIS.

    Truly the serious student of Christian origins is indebted to GERALD MASSEY for these startling revelations. In his book "The Lost Light", DR. KUHIN says of him: "MASSEY is the only scholar in whose hands the recondite Egyptian material begins to take on rational significance. All the others leave it resembling unintelligible nonsense."

    the book of beginnings- gerald massey
     
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    Out of Egypt: The Roots of Christianity Revealed, by Ahmed Osman presents the most complete examination to date on the relationship of the Amarna Period in Egypt with the birth of Israel. This book also presents fresh insight into the surprising Amarna precursors to Chrisitanity. As a result, the reader is provided with the most comprehensive, coherent and credible picture to date of the elusive origins of Judaism and Old Testament Messianic prophesy. The formidable challenge for Western readers will be in mustering the initial willingness to at least enterain that the Amarna Kings, including Akhenaten and Tutankhamun (yes, as in the former Pharaohs of Egypt), could have even remotely had anything to do with Judaism, much less Christianity. Yet, if one is somehow able to do this, the most amazing discovery in Religion of this entire century is waiting to be understood! With that potential payoff in mind, a charitable forbearance on the part of the reader is more than justified.

    One tenet (of many) developed in Mr. Osman's new book is surprisingly straightforward when compared with today's confusing Dead Sea Scroll (DSS) theories. The 1st Century A.D. Jewish historian, Josephus, identified the Essenes as one of the four major Jewish sects of that period. Mr. Osman demonstrates that the name "Essene" is to be translated as "follower of Jesus (Essa)." This obvious literal translation had been overlooked, because of previously unquestioned assumptions about the novel origins of Christianity in the first Century A.D. In the new Eerdman's title, Beyond the Essene Hypothesis, Gabriele Boccaccini (p 47) implies that a convincing etymology for the name Essene has not been found, but that it applies to a larger group within Palestine that also included the Qumran community. Osman further points out that the particular "followers of Jesus" who were responsible for the DSS would naturally have drawn upon the book of Isaiah (also quite literally translated as "the book of Esais/Jesus") as their primary source of inspiration, and that no less than 18 copies of Isaiah have been found among the DSS.

    If the namesake of the Essenes was not the first Century A.D. Jesus of Nazareth, then who could he have been? The first and most significant individual in the Old Testament record to be given the name Jesus was Joshua son of Nun, leader of the Israelite conquest of Canaan. (It is recognized that the most accurate translation is Jesus, and that Joshua is used in modern English translations to avoid "confusion." See footnotes in the King James Version where "Joshua" is found.) The logical place to look for the Jesus of the Essenes would therefore be in the person of Joshua, the man that Moses clearly designated as his equal (Deuteronomy 18:15). According to Osman, there should be nothing particulary surprising about this association either, as Christian thinkers from the early Church Fathers (and especially Eusebius who further informs us that Jesus/Joshua was NOT his original name) onward have always considered Joshua to represent a "pre-existent" type or symbol of the Messiah who was to come.

    Now, hold on to your hoods and yarmulkes, here comes the truly astonishing part.

    In Part I of "Out of Egypt," Ahmed Osman reworks and firmly establishes the association between the Biblical Moses and the historical Egyptian 18th Dynasty Pharaoh Akhenaten, which was first noted by Sigmund Freud. (See "Giants in the Land: Opposition to the Ideas of Ahmed Osman" on this site for additional background on Freud's Theory of Moses and it criticisms.) In the Bible, Moses is said to have been followed by Jesus/Joshua as leader of the Israelites. Akhenaten is known to have been succeeded to the throne by Tutankhamun (after the ephemeral reign of Semenkhare). Having a solid basis for associating Moses and Akhenaten, it therefore becomes logical and necessary to at least consider a potential relationship between Jesus/Joshua, the protege of Moses, and Tutankhamun, the successor of Akhenaten.

    Analysis of the account in Numbers Chapter 25 led both Sigmund Freud and Ernest Sellin (who had earlier coined the term "scarlet thread") to conclude that an Israelite leader had been killed at Mt. Sinai. Sellin and Freud both suspected that it had been Moses. Having the advantage of a more complete historical framework, Ahmed Osman presents comprehensive and compelling evidence that the "death in the wilderness" disguised in the Bible account was actually not that of Moses as suspected by Freud and Sellin, but it must be none other than that of Joshua son of Nun (meaning "fish," and later a symbol of Christianity). Moreover, Osman concludes that this event was the archetypal source of the tragic killing of Jesus (the Essene's Teacher of Righteousness) at the hands of the "Wicked Priest," and that this event occurred (at least in its original form) at the end of the Egyptian 18th Dynasty with the killing of Tutankhamun (Jesus/Joshua) in a jealous rage by Pa-Nehesy (Biblical Phineas), the zealous High Priest of Akhenaten (Moses). In "Out of Egypt," Ahmed Osman does not lean on techniques of psychology, but on established archaeological findings, accepted historical documents, and objective critical analysis of Biblical texts in making many persuasive arguments to that end. For example, the Talmud confirms that Phineas killed Jesus. This is most certainly not the off-the-wall investigation that it might first appear to be, but one that a preponderance of historical material demands must be undertaken. (See "Gospel According to Egypt" on this web site for a few of the arguments discussed in Osman's earlier works.)

    To give away but one new example from "Out of Egypt," Osman points out that the Apostle Paul wrote (in 1 Cor. 10:1-4 and Hebrews 4:2) that Jesus/Joshua was thereafter no longer with the Israelites physically upon their departure with Moses from Mt. Sinai, but only symbolically as the "Rock" that sustained Israel, a Rock which has continued to hang as an ominous cloud over the Jewish people from that fateful time forward. Therefore, the fantastical account of the Conquest of Canaan under Joshua was likely used to cover up the murder of Jesus as Ahmed Osman also suggests. If Phineas was subsequently killed in retribution of his act, this would explain the mysterious role Phineas plays in following Biblical accounts. However, the judgment by Osman that the Conquest itself was a pure fiction may be better off withheld, as further research may establish it as an adaptation of an earlier tradition of a Hebrew invasion of Palestine that was only later attributed conveniently to Joshua in the Bible. (It also could have been a recollection of the military campaign of Tutankhamun & Horemheb. See notes under Joshua in "Implications of the New Chronology on the Works of Ahmed Osman" found on this web site.)

    Returning to a psychological argument (this time as my own observation, and not as a proof), the murder of an individual of Tutankhamun's magnitude certainly would have led to equally powerful and enduring traditions, especially considering that his untimely death (and many leading experts are now of the opinion that he was indeed murdered) resulted in the collapse of the Egyptian 18th Dynasty, which was arguably Egypt's finest. As Osman suggests, there would have remained among the Jews those who refused to allow a crime of this significance to be forgotten, and in times of trouble, such as after the fall of Jerusalem and deportation to Babylon in the 6th Century B.C., they would have reasserted that Israel's troubles were a consequence of this heinous act, and unrepentance for it. Such would have been sufficient motivation for the poignant theme in the book of Isaiah, which is thought to have been completed in the 6th Century B.C.

    Conventional Dead Sea Scroll scholarship holds that the Essene sect that hid the DSS was formed after 200 B.C. with the death of a figure known as the "Teacher of Righteousness" at the hands of the "Wicked Priest." Alternative DSS theories (e.g., those of Shiffman, Eisenman, and Thiering) postulate that this event parallels 1st Century A.D. accounts mirrored by the Gospels. Still other theories, such as those offered by Phillip Davies, and Dutch scholars F. Garcia Marinez and A.S van der Woude, postulate an exilic formation of the Essene sect in the 6th Century B.C. (See Dead Sea Scrolls: The Complete Story by Jonathan Campbell). Ahmed Osman is more in line with the latter theories in that he posits that.

    Essene beliefs were already ancient by the 2nd Century B.C., and derived from the suffering and sacrificial death of the Messiah recorded as late as the 6th Century B.C. in the Book of Isaiah. His theory would also seem consistent with the long lived strife between Enochic and Zadokite Judaism presented in Beyond the Essene Hypothesis. Osman's theory is unique in its development of the idea that the descriptions in the book of Isaiah were not only prophesies, but projections of an even more ancient event, i.e., the death of Tutankhamun/Joshua/Jesus. "Out of Egypt" discusses old (e.g., Philo) and new (e.g., Hag Hammadi Gospels) historical material related to Essene, Gnostic, and Therapeutae sects that were active in Palestine, the Sinai, and Egypt, as well as many other parts of the Roman World, both before and after the time of Christ. This treatment is used to strengthen the conclusion that the Qumran Essenes were part of a larger Jewish sect that held Joshua in equal reverence with Moses well before the established Christian era.

    It has been said (by W. Wilson) that "originality is just a fresh set of eyes." In searching for new insight into Judeo-Christian origins, Ahmed Osman has succeeded where others have failed by virtue of his unique perspective as a native Egyptian, and by leaving no stone unturned in his pursuit of historical vision. In the cosmopolitan tradition of Alexandrian scholarship, the author draws from extremely wide ranging source materials, including recent archaeological discoveries in Egypt (monuments, tombs, texts, etc.); the writings of Egyptian, Jewish, and Christian historians in the Greek and Roman eras (Philo, Suetonius, Tacitus, Josephus, Strabo, Eusebius, Origen, Irenaeus, and others); the Bible and Rabbinical texts, the Koran and Arabic documents, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Gnostic Christian writings found at Nag Hammadi, and the works of modern era researchers (P.L. Couchoud, Adolf von Harnack, Edward Zeller, A.T. Hanson, Adolf von Harnack, etc.).

    Parts I and II of "Out of Egypt" provide a new organization and updating of the research presented in the author's three previous titles. This is helpful, because the historical associations of earlier works were presented in the order in which they were made by Osman rather than as a unified theory of Judeo-Christian origins. The author's unassuming style and unleavened narratives in Part I of the book may be too quickly dismissed as irrelevant or unscientific by impatient or over-critical readers. It will be especially difficult for those unfamiliar with the enormous significance of the Egyptian 18th Dynasty to perceive the potential importance of this research, and sadly most individuals today do not have even vague comprehension of this historical period. (The article, "The Gospel According to Egypt" on this site is an earlier epitome of Osman's prior works, and will provide background and an independent synthesis of this material for the reader.) Furthermore, due to the inveterate presuppositions we have each acquired in Western culture, it may be necessary for novices and experts alike to consider all of Mr. Osman's associations very carefully before the mighty gush of inspiration will flow out from this rock of scholarship. It is not only the strength of individual associations, but the large number of biblical-historical relationships made by Osman, which indicate that a breakthrough of enormous magnitude has been achieved.

    Part III of "Out of Egypt" presents entirely new material. In this section, Mr. Osman attempts to demonstrate that the same conclusion that was reached in Parts I and II regarding the original identity of Jesus (by working forward from Egyptian archaeological records of the Patriarch Joseph and the Israelite Sojourn) can also be made by working backward from the early Christian era.

    For example, Ahmed Osman points out that the simple formula of salvation through water baptism and faith in the resurrected god Osiris was already extant in the popular cult of Serapis during the centuries immediately preceding the Christian era. Osman goes on to state that after the conquest of Egypt by Alexander the Great, the appeal of immortality through this simple faith became dominant in Egypt, was actively exported beginning with Ptolemy I Soter, and readily adopted throughout the Greek world. The cult of Serapis was still quite prevalent during Roman times in the 1<sup>st</sup> Century B.C and 1st Century A.D., but began to lose official favor in Rome proper beginning with the demise of Mark Antony and Cleopatra. Osman further asserts that it was a logical refinement on the part of the Apostle Paul to substitute faith in a resurrected Christ Jesus for the resurrected Osiris in the Serapis cult. Moreover, Osman further shows that in late 1st Century A.D. Egypt, Christianity and Serapis were considered nearly equivalent in contemporary writings.

    In his Epistle to the Galatians (1:11-24), Paul gives a short autobiographical account of his mystical encounter with Christ on the road to Damascus and the three full years in Arabia (which Osman asserts would have in those times included the Sinai) that immediately followed. Osman provides evidence that he would have been instructed in the desert by Therapeutae, Gnostic Christians, and/or Essenes in the "mystery of Christ," that being what was still known of the association of the original Jesus/Joshua with the anoited, de jure King of the Jews in Egypt, Tutankhamun. The connection between Tutankhamun and Osiris is seen by Osman as conventional Pharaonic belief (although rejected by his predecessor Akhenaten), and is graphically demonstrated by a mural in Tut's tomb. This mural is reproduced and explained in the book.

    Ahmed Osman asserts that the reappearance of Jesus to the "disciples" in the 1st Century A.D. was a "spiritual" or symbolic manifestation only. If the identification of Jesus/Joshua, the successor of Moses, as the archetypal Messiah is correct, then this is a reasonable explanation. However, that a claimant to the Davidic line in the 1<sup>st</sup> Century A.D. (and there very likely would have been at least one) may have attempted to strengthen his right to rule based on association with ancient messianic traditions, cannot be categorically precluded either. The passage in Numbers 25 in which the sacrificial victim is struck with a spear might seem to contradict the Gospel account of death by hanging/crucification. However, the spearing of Jesus on the cross was also deliberately integrated into the Gospel account. In any event, a physical redramatization of the Messiah's death would not necessarily have been expected or even endorsed by Essenes in general unless it was to be clearly understood as a deliberate and symbolic reenactment. That "Rock" which provided life sustaining water for Israel in the Sinai was to be struck but once, and it was written that Moses was barred from the Promised Land for striking it again. In Osman's theory, Moses eventually died bequeathing only the "Law" that justly required judgement and death, however Jesus/Joshua had been killed and was believed to be living on as the resurrected Christ who forgives and brings eternal life. From Osman's association of the Gospel story of Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration with the earlier Mt. Sinai Convocation, it is clear that there would be a pardon in Christianity even for Phineas himself. Therefore, in Paul's Gospel (as clearly proclaimed in the Book of Hebrews), Jesus/Joshua was not merely the equal of Moses, but the greater.

    In "Out of Egypt," Osman effectively demonstrates the contrived and improbable nature of many Gospel accounts, however the physical existence of a 1st Century A.D. claimant to the line of David still seems plausible, even if the Gospel stories attributed to him served only to further his Messianic and political pretensions. Osman's research is praised (and referenced nine times) in the opening chapters of Laurence Gardner's "Bloodline of the Holy Grail." (For a summary of "Bloodline," go to the Nexus Journal Home Page at: http://peg.apc.org/~nexus and look under "Selected Articles.") Although Laurence Gardner does not disclose all of his extremely eclectic and arcane sources, and has curious motives (yet, I do give him credit for disclosing those in Chapter 20), his suppositions still deserve consideration. For example, the Jesus of the Gospels would have been operating in the true "Grail" spirit of Tutankhamun (truly a son of Nun, i.e., born of adversity and "chaos") by assembling a coalition of all major Jewish factions (in the form of the "12 disciples") for the purpose of "restoring" Israel in the midst of the "plague" of an increasingly oppressive Roman rule. Desperate measures were required in those very desperate times as they were in Tutankhamun's, and the legitimacy or exclusivity of a 1st Century A.D. Jesus to rule may have been challenged as was the case for Tutankhamun and his predecessor Akhenaten.

    By using the considerable political clout of one or more major religious sects and an established noble family to full advantage, a daring reenactment of Tutankhamun's hanging could have been staged, differing only in that this Jesus would not physically die, but instead be rescued, resuscitated, and made to reappear on the third day in classic Messianic form to "witnesses" who may also have assumed aliases in the form of the earlier tradition. In doing so, this Davidic claimant would not only have confirmed his worthiness as a descendent of the Judean Kings, but established his right to reign in the Divine order of the Davidic (Thutmosid) line of the Egyptian Pharaohs which ended with Tutankhamun. Even if this plan were successfully "executed," Jesus would still not have been able to return to public life after his "resurrection" for fear of exposing the ruse to the Romans and risking an inescapable death the second time. His whereabouts would have to have been kept secret until the "time was right." Unfortunately, the failure of the Jewish Revolt and ultimate literal death of the 1st Century A.D. Davidic claimant would have ended any immediate hope of his "return" to society as reigning king. This would also explain why the tone of the New Testament turned from immediate fervent expectation of Jesus' return to a resignment to "occupying" until the end times. Osman clearly evinces that although the Gospels of Paul and of Peter differed substantially, both were derived from an earlier and greater Messianic tradition, and neither depended on the immediate restoration of the Davidic Kingdom.

    Out of Egypt begins with an impassioned appeal for healing and restoration of the dignity of the people of Egypt as a result of a new appreciation for the legacy of ancient Egypt in Western Civilization. The diversity of Christian faith in the 1st Century A.D. was inexorably replaced by a doctrinal monoculture resulting first from the zeal of Paul, and later from overt persecution by the Bishops of Rome. The success of the Roman Catholic Church in eradicating Egypt's spiritual and historical connection to its past has made Mr. Osman's task a formidable one indeed, however further insights are promised in a future work. Mr. Osman's deep respect for Jewish, Christian, and Islamic faith is evident in all of his writings. Out of Egypt itself is dedicated "to the Coptic Church of Alexandria." Despite the luminary nature of his research, Mr. Osman's sense of modesty has not allowed him to flaunt his discoveries or demand the end of faith as we now know it. I hope with Ahmed Osman that the startling insights that he and others are gaining into the ancient world will not diminish true faith and the good that it produces. I do hope that this knowledge will help put an end to religious intolerance (whether it be Christian, Jewish, or Muslim) and the fear and suffering that it produces.

    With Akhenaten (Moses) and Tutankhamun (Joshua) we have the timeless conflict of totalitarianism vs. liberalism, legalism vs. compromise, purity of religion vs. tolerance, faith vs. works, love vs. fear, unity vs. diversity, etc., etc.) that was later reconciled (or at least attempted) in Christian "dualism" as fulfillment of "the Law" of Moses through the "Grace and Truth" of Jesus. In "Out of Egypt," we have new potential for bringing closure for millions of people who are by so many methods compelled to believe that they can only receive the gift of eternal life (and be spared from damnation as well) through repentance and faith in the Messiah (first of the Israelites and later of the World). The cruelty and senselessness of this Savior's death has perhaps only been exceeded by the pernicious disguising of his actual life, death, and "resurrection" and its original unadulterated significance. "Out of Egypt" presents compelling proofs that the Bilblical figure Joshua was not merely a "pre-existent" symbol or type of the Christ who was later to come, but the original source of the Messianic Hope itself! Mr. Osman puts the larger pieces together in this stunning and major new picture of Judeo-Christian origins, and offers the opportunity to reevaluate its worth in today's world. The landmark breakthrough, which in retrospect is quite straightforward and logical, was achieved only after decades of patient research in the true cosmopolitan tradition of Alexandrian scholarship. This author has triumphed, not only through sheer persistence, but as a result of his original perspective as a native son of Egypt and his freedom from the insidious biases that invariably plague this particular type of endeavor. This book will provide scientists, theologians, and serious thinkers of all kinds with inspiration for new research, meditation, and scholarly debate for many years to come.

    The logical identification of Jesus as the leading Old Testament figure by that same name, and his further association with a short-lived, but now famous historical king of the Egyptian 18th Dynasty will, as "presaged" by Thomas Henry Huxley, most certainly involve the absolute rejection of all who have a vested interest in the status quo of Western Archaeology, History, and Religion. However, those who prefer not to trust matters of historical importance and faith entirely to an establishment mindset will want to seriously study "Out of Egypt" for themselves. History is written by the "winners" (military, political, or ideological), and the Bible is no exception. Nevertheless, "historical" accounts often contain concessions to the "losers," especially when they still represent a significant voice of conscience. It is from these concessions that a more accurate picture of history can later be reconstructed, and Mr. Osman has performed masterful detective work with respect to the tragic death of Jesus.

    Mr. Osman's native language is Arabic, and he appears to produce scholarly writing in English with considerable effort, or only after translation. Despite this, Out of Egypt is logically and eloquently stated. Although not deserving of a Pulitzer, a discovery of such magnitude no matter its expression, and its potential benefit to human relations, is well worth the Nobel. Perhaps, it is poetic justice that as the so called age of Pisces now comes to a close, a deeper meaning of its most dominant philosophy and personality should be learned.

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    yes I did read about that, I would say shocking but nothing shocks me about western demands.
     
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    Ah so it's all Americans fault?

    Look I don't agree with Scott lively or many evangelicals way of thinking, but still does not takeaway the fact that the region will never catch up to the civilized world. Throughout history they never really came far and they had the same chance as anyone else from the starting line and they are still where they started.

    The sad thing is, with all the murdering going on simply because they are savages, the only thing you care about the most is Christian on gay viewpoints. Children are slaughtered there, raped and sold into sex slavery......... But gay rights is a bigger topic lol.

    I guess agenda is more important than real problems.
     
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    Oh give it a rest. Racism is so last century. The west isn't civilised. Africa had the first and most enduring civilzation ever and the only savages are Euro Americans who have killed and enslaved more ppl than anyone in history. Take a bow
     
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    compared to the sand box and hell holes that Northern Africa and the ME are, the west is much more civilized and intelligent.

    Only Euro Americans enslaved? Islam has been enslaving people since its inception, and remember they are the ones who began the Trans Atlantic slave trade. Islam gained slaves from Northern Africa well before Euro American was even a term.

    And the funny thing is, Africa and Islam still use slavery today. There is no more slavery in the United States or pretty much the rest of the world. SO how can you say Euro Americans enslaved more people in history when this country has only been around 400 years? SLavery was well before the USA or its founding. Just another dumb, faux argument based on liberal or muslim talking points really. The rest of the world has moved on to better things, but Islam and African refugees see it fit to drag the world back down to their crap standards.
     
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    Once again , America isn't civilzed. You have the largest slave market in the world, euroamericans killed, enslaved and tortured the most ppl ever in history and you want to point fingers
    Glass house living loons would only do that, surely that is not you. All the west has done us spread death, its a wicked empire
     
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    WHat slave market?

    What country does not have death in their past? Are you again ignoring the carnage that had and still takes place every day in the ME and in Northern Africa? The slavery that HAS NEVER STOPPED in the ME and North Africa?

    It is obvious you wish to be one of those people who believes slavery was never a part of the world until the US was involved lol.

    please site your references or stop making up BS.
     
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    America has the largest slave market in the world , why do you obssess over some other you have no control over
     
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    What slave market? You are saying we have a slave market and you aren't even describing it.
     
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    The slave industrial complex, the largest in the world, its even on the stock market .
     
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    "How 'christian' of christian clerics in Uganda"......your assumption seems to be that "Christian" is a good and caring thing.....that would be a wrong assumption - as this story so blatantly points out.

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    Too bad the supposedly all-caring, all-loving, all-powerful prayer-answering dead guy from Nazareth isn't real or he'd have seen to it that the Bible didn't say to not kill gays in multiple places (or is he not all-powerful and all-caring?)
     
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    You are redefining words again.. Nobody will take you seriously.
     
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    The biggest promoters of this were American Evangelicals like Scott Lively who traveled to Uganda and preached this to large crowds. They lost in the US so they took their road show to Uganda.
     
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    Reclaiming words stolen by the deceivers
     
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    Its laughable that you think you can redefine slavery.. :roflol:
     
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    You just don't want to admit that the bible is evil, as the Bible (and Jesus never refuted this) says that it's ok to beat a slave (yes BEAT) as long as his death drags out past 48 hours. Pure evil.
     
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    Don't you mean so first century(?) - as Jesus was a racist, he set the tone for modern racism, by saying (Mt 15:24) that he had only come to help the Hebrews - sort of like Hitler was only trying to help the Aryans, and the KKK is only trying to help the whites and The Nation Of Islam is only trying to help the blacks.
     
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    Yes, when they proclaim that "Jesus loves", they really mean "Jesus hates", as we are seeing from Jesus' hateful followers in Uganda. They are doing what they think Jesus would do - and since Jesus would of course know that the texts say to slaughter gays, and he never spoke up against that (he's allegedly had 2000 years to do that!), it's likely that Jesus would also approve of hatred of gays.
     

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