'How dare you': Greta Thunberg tears into world leaders over inaction at U.N. climate summit

Your jealousy is showing ...

 

Yea, bud , you nailed it ...

 

Here's more:

 

I'm not a Climate Doomsday Cultists. I find that Cultist are rigid in their thinking, holding their views for reasons other than empirical evidence. As an American, you may believe whatever you wish, however, it will not be viewed as compelling without empirical support. There is no empirical support for a heat related extinction event related to warming, glacial advances though, are always accompanied by massive loss of life.

No. It's exactly the same as any other hard science. The softening is being urged by those who insist what does not conform to reality must still compel belief. In science when beliefs do not correspond to the natural world, we adjust our beliefs, not the philosophy of science.

That's incoherent. I don't have a clue what point you are attempting to make. FDR's policies were disastrous, likely turning a recession into a double dip major depression. We didn't recover until we went our war footing and transitioned to the War Economy.

No it's not. AOC's financial backer at the time that she put this concept into popular circulation admitted that it was much more about financial control through scarcity than a climate project.

Nonsense. All currency is, is a store of labor. As long as someone will trade you goods and services for it, it has value. The Central Banks do not add to the store of goods or value, they merely control money supply, generally they shoot for a slow steady rate of erosion (what we call inflation) in order avoid currency appreciation (what they call deflation).

Humans have been coining money for about 5,000 years as it was more convenient than carrying goods around. Do you really think that in the 5,000 year that no one but you guys have ever thought: "Gee, if we just create a bunch of money, why we can go on a massive spending spree!" I was so stunned that AOC came out with this crap, and knowing that she was a college graduate, I looked up where she studied, turns out she graduated from a fairly well regarded university, with honors, with an economics degree! How in the hell can you obtain a degree, with honors, in economics from a decent university and have no knowledge of the plain fact that money printing causes hyper-inflation and hyper-inflation causes economic collapse?

What "resources?"

Government "money creation" in excess of the supply of goods and services is a "taking" carefully camouflaged, which is anathema in our society where WE THE PEOPLE reign sovereign, with a government that serves OUR needs. We are a PEOPLE with a government, not the other way around. If the government adds to money supply in excess of the increase in goods and services, it devalues the currency in our pockets, a "taking" that is hidden from the people and therefore difficult for us to maintain oversight of.

There is no ground water beyond 500' - fracking is pulling up materials from 6,000 to 10,000. All mining operations have to carefully maintain seals through the 500' water table. Fracking is no different from any other mining operation.

The rotting drums of radioactive waste that has been stored since the 1950's are polluting ground water and have been for decades, but the EPA and you folks seem to ignore that and have a real hard on for fracking.

https://www.columbiariverkeeper.org/sites/default/files/2011/10/hanford_and_the_river_final2.pdf

Again, anyone one in these agencies that is not committed to cleaning up REAL pollution rather than virtue signalling these fads, were it up to me, Trump would have the power to summarily fire them en-mass and replace them with folks that are dedicated to REALLY cleaning up the environment.

That sounds like hyperbole to me, but if you are correct, those that invest in these technologies you advocate should make a boatload of money.

That's interesting, we heavily fined VW because they deliberately rigged their connections for our air pollution measurement equipment to adjust engine performance so they would pass our smog tests, immediately reverting to a tune that would not pass, as soon as our smog station measurement equipment was disconnected. German Electricity is about 40% coal generated, US Electricity is about 27% in the US, down from about 40% before fracking greatly increased our supply of Natural Gas. Natural Gas burns so cleanly that NG powered forklifts can be safely used within warehouses.

No signatory has met their obligations. Ink on paper doesn't actually do anything to change the condition of the environment.

There is nothing "free about it". Solar only works when the sun is shining and wind only works when the wind is blowing, which means all these generation systems, that have to produce reliable steady production of energy have be duplicated with fossil fuel, hydro-electric or nuclear.

There is no evidence that we will ever be able to efficiently produce energy from nuclear fusion, on earth. It takes a Million degrees to maintain nuclear fusion and we have no means of efficiently creating and maintaining those temperatures.

Uninformative buzzword salad.

There is no need to solar pump hydro, hydroelectric is proven technology. Solar panels only last about 20 years and they are a landfill nightmare. So are wind turbine blades.

 

Solar Panels, 20 year life expectancy. Landfill Nightmare


Called "Green" and "Free!" Now Difficult to dispose of garbage

https://www.americanexperiment.org/...lution-north-carolina-according-utility-data/

Wind and solar are often touted as “clean” sources of energy, but the evidence showing that this simply isn’t true is mounting. From large landfills used to dispose of the (non-recyclable) blades of wind turbines, to toxic chemicals used to make solar panels, to fears about wind companies abandoning their wind turbines after they are no longer useful, the “green” veneer is fading.

Now, it appears there is hard data clearly demonstrating that solar power is contributing to higher levels of air pollution in North Carolina, which has the second-most solar of any state in the country.

This probably sounds counter-intuitive at first, but after further investigation in makes sense. Solar power ramps up and down based on the sun, as a result, natural gas plants need to ramp their output up and down to make sure the grid isn’t overloaded.

This constant ramping increases the amount of pollution emitted by the natural gas plants to a level that is at least 44 percent higher than if there were no solar panels on the grid at all and the natural gas plant was simply allowed to run at a steady pace.

Adding solar to the grid is like forcing a car to drive in town with the constant start and stop of traffic instead of allowing it to drive in cruise control on the highway.

What’s most interesting about the article below is that it relies in actual air emissions data and not air modeling.

 

A rather fascinating development.

 

Greta is the lefts new spiritual leader.

 

While I'm not comfortable labelling you as climate denier (I'll leave that to others) I have no doubts in condemning your grasp of macroeconomics as mere neoliberal ideology. The antidote to the classical monetarist* disaster manifested in the Great Depression was Keynes' inspired and FDR's government deficit spending. to get the unemployed back to work.
*there was NO SUDDEN LOSS OF REAL RESOURCES (including labour) in the 1929 stock market crash, it was a banking monetary disaster, consequent on unregulated "invisible hand" competitive markets and associated private banking arrangements.

Just so you know: MMT is about creation of money in the public sector (via the central bank), alongside the creation of money in the private sector (via private banks operating in "invisible hand" competitive free markets).

Spoken like a true ideologue. Neoliberal crap parading as ultimate truth. Dinosaurs like Krugman, Summers. and Rogoff, (who even Trump ignores, adding government debt onto debt (20 trillion and growing) are refuted here:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2019/03/05/mmt-sense-or-nonsense/#547f1b758527

Let's see what happens when the next recession hits in a low inflation, low interest environment, and central banks haven't a clue how to respond.

Classical liberal crap; addressed above.

REAL resources eg labour, knowhow, technology and resources extracted from the earth.
[The fact that it's possible to conceive of a totally planned economy which has full access to all the necessary data, thereby enabling production and distribution of goods without recourse to money at all, illustrates the difference between money and real resources].

Nobody's saying "in excess of available resources"; some resources eg labour and materials, are always laying idle in our "invisible hand" market economy, depending on where we are at in the business cycle.

That would be nice, but the facts are U6 + those who have given up looking for work is c.10% or more, leading to a poverty rate of c.10%......serves YOUR needs, maybe.....

OK, so a quick internet search has me thinking the EPA is politically motivated, changing its emphasis (which is a disgrace, if true: fake news?): if the frackers do a decent job of lining the drill holes with cement that doesn't crack, there should be no contamination issue. So you are right (barring the fake news problem).

OK again, I can accept that sentence (except fracking is not my idea of a turn on....)

Trouble is natural gas is far less economical in cars - almost double the consumption and less power, than petrol or even more so cf diesel. But the facts re air contamination from carcinogenic particulate matter, and poisonous gases resulting from extracting and burning oil and coal - and the high costs in dealing with these contaminants - are uncontestable

True.

Did I have to include the words "backed by pumped hydro"?

Once a sufficient number of such green energy plants are established around the globe, then indeed energy will be free (since pumped hydro - the battery - works independently of daytime sunshine/wind.

{Obviously there are sufficient resources for the necessary infrastructure build; after that (allowing for maintenance) the world runs on free - or very, very cheap, sustaining non-polluting energy].

OK, stick with your Thorium reactor's, I will accept them if the waste issue is minimal. But I won't accept them as an excusre to prolong the life of 'filthy fossil' (will you still object to that terminology, bearing in mind carcinogenic particulates etc noted above))

Well that comment is to be expected, if you believe the 'value' of money can only be determined by production of goods and services in the private sector, regardless of the 'value' of those goods and services to consumers ie the public.

[Much private sector industry should be immediately closed down, for the health and well-being of the public...hence my comments about junk consumerism ...aided and abetted by detested advertising...so this is how money must get its 'value'?

Am I to understand you do not know of pumped hydro as a battery backup for green - intermittent - energy?

Now the other comments refer to maintenance and recycling, this latter being another field ignored by "invisible hand" consumer oriented, profit driven markets, since consumption, not recycling, is the name of the neoliberal game

 

And here is how Greta is managing her "problem" - 'Currently chilling': Greta Thunberg ridicules Trump's angry tweets

Greta has every right to be a child given her age. Does Donald Dork have a right to behave like one?

Methinks not ...

 

Non recyclable? Only if the company is privately owned; government can recycle anything.
Toxic chemicals need to be isolated in the process (as you have already noted), likely easier and cheaper in PV solar panel production, than fossil fuel production.

Hmm... it DOES sound counter-intuitive, so let's read on...

The problem here is that the natural gas plant does not have (though it COULD have) the necessary variable output technology required to match the consumption demand on the grid, with the solar plant's variable output. That technology should be simple (and non-polluting), since it's only a matter of "adjusting the flame" on the water (and hence steam) turning the turbine.

Silly me, I thought I already addressed this.

But why is there "at least 44% higher emissions", from just turning the flame up or down, as required to meet the solar output AND the grid's needs?

No it's not. The driver chooses the environment in which he needs to drive. The solar plant operator accepts he must deal with variability in both output, and (gas-fired) backup, to meet the demands of the grid.

Really?

ie, "44% more emissions", just to adjust the flame?....

 

She perfectly represents the new progressive-fascist ideology that white people must continue to control everyone, every country, all money and everything else.

This is why to most Democrats she is the perfect representative of the next young generation to rule the world:
1. She's white.
2. Her parents are white and rich.
3. She is from one of the whitest countries on earth, so therefore must be among the greatest countries on earth.

Therefore, she represents the less than 10% of the population that rich white corporate progressive-fascists claim should continue to control earth - declaring that unless white people continue to control earth - and ASAP - all human life on earth will vanish within the next few years.

She is the next GREAT WHITE HOPE of white progressive-fascists holding true to the superiority of the white race. She'd be the perfect new fascist era Democrat were she American.

 

Wow! Progressive and fascist in the same sentence!

And about a little girl who has more gumption than most men on this forum.

Eat your heart out guys. Game over! You lost ... !

Blah, blah, blah and more blah!

Moving right along ...

 

It's 6.9%, except for one month (Oct 2000) as low as ever recorded in the last 25 years.

You are posturing Totalitarianism posing as Utopianism, a common ploy by Totalitarians.

The purpose of the Free Economy is not to give a group of Totalitarians toys to play with, the purpose is for US to freely exchange our goods and labor. All government does is sensibly regulate it. We have no "master planners" we are each free to pursue our OWN dreams, so long as our actions to do not infringe on the rights of others to pursue theirs. It is at that interaction that there is a role for sensible regulation by our government. You want to mass plan and direct the "masses" with National Socialism. You need to find another society, our Constitution will never allow what you are hoping to implement.

 

Can you dispute the poster's points about her 'representing' a tiny proportion of humanity?

Do you think it's reasonable that someone from the 10% speaks for the entire planet? And are you unable to see the awful connotations of that situation?

Wouldn't it be FAR more appropriate for a poor brown Third Worlder to take this role, since they represent the majority?

 

So, we have 7% INVOLUNATRY un/underemployment. and you (erroneously) talk about 'totalitarianism'....

The neoliberal NAIRU concept itself is fascist, if you want to throw words around to suit you own flawed ideology.

"infringe on the rights of others".... a basic right being guaranteed access to above poverty employment, didn't you know...

Have a go at telling me why money created in private banks - denominated in the currency issued by the government's treasury - to fund profit-driven production and advertising of crap (plenty of examples), which is a misuse of scarce resources by any defintion, is somehow superior to creation of money in the central bank, to directly fund education and other desirable public pursuits.

 

I thought you objected to identity politics?

 

I do. But this is a numbers and money game. I couldn't care less what her 'identity' or skin tone is, it's the illogic of a cosetted 10%-er speaking for the 90% who are far less privileged, far less safe, and far less wealthy.

 

I'm not arguing a causal link between the best employment numbers recorded and the losers totalitarian fantasies. It's their inability to control others, that is our own freedom, that is resulting in the strongest labor economy of our lifetimes.

Incoherent buzzword salad.

Again, buzzword salad, the only thing even close to coherently formed enough to deal with is your claim that additional educational funding would improve educational outcomes. That is a claim without support. We spend $BILLIONS on education and our outcomes are dismal.


Ready for the wannabe busybodies to accept our basic constitutional freedoms, quit trying to run everyone's lives and just enjoy our unexpected prosperity this holiday season while the Santa Claus Rally rings in the Election Year!

 

The strongest labour economy of our lifetimes?

Here's Bernie Sander's view of that "strength":

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...txXtbRJ1vFYl1DXdAqbCQXfbcjmox4JTsxGa-_cnUFfoM

Bernie Sanders:

"Deficit hawks once again show their hypocrisy on military spending.
The Senate will be voting this week on the Trump military budget, which calls for a massive increase in defense spending".

"I strongly oppose this legislation, just as I have all previous Trump military budgets. At a time when we have massive levels of income and wealth inequality; when half of our people are living paycheck to paycheck; when more than 500,000 Americans are homeless; and when public schools throughout the country are struggling to pay their teachers a liveable salary, it is time to change our national priorities. It is time to invest in the working families of this country and not a bloated military budget".

"I find it ironic that when I and other progressive members of Congress propose legislation to address the many unmet needs of workers, the elderly, the children, the sick and the poor, we are invariably asked, “How will we pay for it?” Yet we rarely hear that question with regard to huge increases in military spending, tax breaks for billionaires or massive subsidies for the fossil fuel industry".

The richest nation on the planet - with half the population living with chronic financial stress....some "freedoms" you've got going there....

Incoherent when viewed through your ideological blinkers, meaning you are unable to connect "infringement of rights" to systemic denial of access to above poverty employment.

You don't like " profit-driven production and advertising of crap (plenty of examples), which is a misuse of scarce resources by any definition"?

Of course you don't like it, because it highlights the inadequacies of your sick "freedoms"/"invisible hand" system.

And as for education: again Bernie grasps the reality:

…."when public schools throughout the country are struggling to pay their teachers a liveable salary,"



Nice pic.

 

The Commie with three nice homes including the Lakeside Dacha?

The House controls the purse strings, if you don't like the bill, take it up with Pelosi. Yes, the Senate has to agree, but they can't originate spending bills, the House does that. So all the Senate is always working or reworking what the House has crafted. Trump can only sign or shut down the government. Has Bernie called for Trump to refuse to sign the spending bill and shut down the Government?

Sanders used to always say "Millionaires and Billionaires" but now that he is a Millionaire, I guess the group to heap hate jealousy and envy on is just the "Billionaires"?

Who is denying anyone access to "above poverty" employment? Systematic deprivation of the civil rights of another is a Federal Felony. If you actually know anyone engaging in this, you should report them to federal law enforcement.

Wherever did you get the idea that I have a problem with profit incentive? I do not. I have a real problem with rent seeking. Most arguments against profit motive are really arguments against rent seeking. Look it up if you are unaware of the distinction. As for advertising, that's simply freedom of speech and the freedom to publish, I have no right to infringe on the rights of any to engage in either.

If someone wants to misuse their own resources, that's their choice. Why would I stick my nose into that?

That is more repetitious buzzword salad. Please organize your thoughts into coherent sentences and then communicate them effectively.

They are consistently outpacing everyone else. Why are you more concerned with them than the private sector that trails them?




Very important that we respect each other's rights and freedoms.

 

No, the Social Democrat with the decency to know entrenched poverty is unacceptable, in a nation of plenty.

Dunno, don't care; and to be fair to you in this debate, I acknowledge that Bernie still thinks he has to fund his social democratic policies by taxation (in his case, via a financial-transaction tax, IIRC).
And I'm still prepared to support him, given the outrageous increasing wealth inequality, including massive dollops of unearned wealth, in the current sick "invisible hand" system.

Certainly the system of 'reward for effort' is now so completely out of wack it needs complete reworking.

The sick, a-moral (ie no concern for outcome) "INVISIBLE HAND" SYSTEM itself denies access to above poverty employment. Get back to me when U6 is < 2%.

When a glorified shop-keeper, on the back of the internet, earns $1billion a month for a decade, and you accept that as appropriate reward for effort, then you have a problem with your concept of profit incentive.

Addressed above. Rent seeking is just another example of unearned income.

And so we have a gross mis-allocation of scarce resources, in your sick "freedom-based" "invisible hand" system.

You miss the point: the sick "invisible hand" system allows gross, purely profit-based, misallocation of scarce resources in the production side of the economy. How an individual consumes is his business (though the producers' junk advertising efforts will promote junk consumerism, as opposed to healthy, sustainable consumerism and recycling of waste).

I'm assuming you understand your economic philosophy is based on the classical liberal, "invisible hand" concept of Adam Smith. Never mind.

1. because "your neighbourhoods are like war zones, your schools and hospitals are broken..." (do you know who said that?)
2. because "public schools throughout the country are struggling to pay their teachers a liveable salary,"...

 

A very silly point. The hottest air temperature ever recorded in Death Valley was 134 °F (56.7 °C) on July 10, 1913, which is the highest atmospheric temperature ever recorded on earth, that record has stood for over a 100 years. If we were truly in a runaway warming scenario, that record would have been broken over a hundred times.

And that brings us closer to the truth, you show no regard for the facts that falsify the made up climate crisis, because the climate isn't the point, the ability to control others through control of money supply is.

While we all have to earn our money, we perform services for others in exchange for currency, which we can then use to induce others to perform services for us. With MMT you imagine that an enlightened elite can generate all the currency they want to impose their Utopian dreams by outbidding for labor, those of us who have to work for our currency.

We aren't your playpen to experiment with. WE coin money for OUR purposes, to more easily facilitate the exchange of goods and services, which is the point of our economy. We do not exist for your pleasures, we exist for our own.

Try to find an honest trade to exchange with others, we have had enough of these money printing nightmares. Humans have been coining money for 5,000 years, do you honestly think you are the first ones to think: "Hey, let's print a lot of it and restructure society according to our own vision!" What in the world do you think gives you the right to manipulate and control others?

 

Whatever.

Fact is new green energy will become cheaper than new fossil energy in around a decade. (see Jeremy Rifkin's new book "The Green New deal").

Then we will see see how your invisible hand markets deal with that scenario, while China with its composite government-planned AND private-market economy henceforth moves to ever cheaper and cheaper clean energy (as more green energy comes online powered by free sun and wind) while you are still polluting the atmosphere with poisonous gases and carcinogenic particulates from burning expensive fossil fuels.

No, the ability to deal with changing environmental and social issues, in ways other than by the "invisible hand" private market alone, is the real issue.

Enlightened elite? Currency? One day the world will run without money...but never mind, you think money is a real resource, let's move on....

But certainly, guaranteed access to above poverty participation is yet to be achieved, let's see if China shows the way in the coming decade (in which the comparison with the US and eg, India will be in sharp focus).

Good for you. Rifkin says your style of capitalism is definitely nearing its obsolescence.

The right to above-poverty employment trumps the right to "find an honest trade to exchange with others"; or certainly the former must exist in conjunction with the latter, in any economic system upholding equality of opportunity (not the same as equality of outcome).

Btw, the parasitic financial industry, at present many multiples of the real economy, almost disappears in MMT, as real resources are sustainably developed for the benefit of the community, not just for the benefit of evil individuals like Fuld (playing in the "invisible hand" market) who "earned" (stole) $100's of millions and brought down a 100 year old bank at the same time..."honest trade" indeed.....

Note: re the 'value' of money: there was no sudden loss of either real resources or labour during the GFC, it was a purely monetary disaster that led to an unemployment disaster.

Think about that for a while....

 

Yeah, "whatever". It was your point and it falsifies your position. A position you hold not for the reasons you claim, concern over the climate, but for your totalitarian urge to control others through monetary policy.

If that's true, you should personally invest in it.

Wish-casting. You state your wishes like they are spells that will come into being if you keep repeating them. China is the filthiest producer in the world, and the Left is fighting Trump tooth and nail as he works to reduce US dependence on Chinese production.

There is nothing new about MMT, it's just old Chartalism dress up in new terms.

Of course you would like to just "move on", you have just been pantsed. Here is the point you failed to answer:

1. While we all have to earn our money, we perform services for others in exchange for currency, which we then use to induce others to perform services for us. With MMT you imagine that an enlightened elite can generate all the currency they want to impose their Utopian dreams by outbidding for labor, those of us who have to work for our currency.

Our answer to your request that we move from our current system to the one you advocate, which will allow you to print money for your dreams, while we labor for our money for our dreams is "NO!" and "HELL NO!"

You totalitarians all get aroused when you dream of being able exercise Chinese State-like Power over the US. We Americans rule ourselves, we will never surrender it, and you'll never be strong enough to take it by force. A small group controlling a large group always at some point ends up at the same place, with the large group slaughtering the small group. We are the longest surviving Democracy and one of the longest surviving governments in the world because we have solved this historic human tragedy associated with government by retaining sovereign power in the larger group, who then controls government, removing the need for popular revolution. So long as we keep reactionary forces like those you advocate in check, we will continue in freedom and prosperity. As Good Ben Franklin said, "It's a Republic, if you can keep it." And we plan to keep it.

And why should I give a squirt what Rifkin says?

And that is what we aspire to.

Replaced by a parasitic Government that can send armies and police against us, a power our financial industry does not have. You are urging folks in the frying pan to jump into the fire.

Sure, which requires a small group to hold the resources, define "sustainability" "benefit" and "community", that is, complete State Power over resources and development, and let me give you a hint. No matter what they claim, their concern will be their needs, wants and dreams, not ours.

No thanks. We will keep our Freedom, Liberty and the right to pursue OUR dreams rather than be enslaved to the dreams of a small group of master-planners, who always turn out to be destructive self-indulgent idiots, incapable of earning an honest living so they seek to control others. And always with the same hook, "surrender your freedom to us, we'll make life better for you."

But, they just make life better for themselves.

 

Nonsense. The climate issue is attested to by scientists, yet is hotly debated. There is no debate over the harmful health and environment effects from burning filthy fossil fuels. The Right of course see climate change as a 'totalitarian plot' because it requires a global response.

As soon as battery home storage is economic, I'm in.....should be within the decade.
Meanwhile,

China is also the largest adopter of green energy in the world..... let that sink in. Since it's estimated to be around a decade before green energy becomes cheaper than filthy fossil, China is still investing in coal so that it can maintain growth.

So you say. but a number of features such as the Job Guarantee are new.

MMT simply eliminates the slack that is always associated with private sector, "invisible hand" neoliberal markets. Instead of the private sector being burdened by debt (owed to unscrupulous bankers); the currency issuing government plays a larger role by directly crediting its own bank (the central bank) with deposits to fund specific programs, to eliminate ALL involuntary unemployment.

…..nothing like you free-marketeers, when your chance to make a quick quid at the expense of the broader economy is threatened...

What's with the "we Americans" crap...the US are as divided as any nation on the planet.....

Here is Ellen Brown's view of China's state-owned banking system.

https://ellenbrown.com/2019/08/09/neoliberalism-has-met-its-match-in-china/

Note her concluding remarks:

"The Chinese have proven the effectiveness of their public banking system in supporting their industries and their workers. Rather than seeing it as an existential threat, we could thank them for test-driving the model and take a spin in it ourselves".

Unless the "small group" (government) can guarantee basic rights - like access to above poverty participation.
Btw, 60% of US citizens are living with chronic financial stress (ie cannot find $1000 from savings in an emergency), so you better be careful about which "large group" you want to be part of, since chronic financial stress will always explode into civil unrest.

But note the warning above re social cohesion; inequality in the US is approaching unsustainable levels.

That's why Bernie Sanders - a social democrat no less, has a significant following.

Tell that to AOC and Bernie Sanders. Your freedom and prosperity is not shared by those to whom Trump spoke when he said: "You are living in poverty, your neighbourhoods are like war zones, your schools and hospitals are broken, your young men are in prison…") ...trust the Donald to issue THAT reality check (re "freedom and prosperity")...

"Rifkin has taught at the Wharton School executive education program at the University of Pennsylvania since 1995, where he instructs CEOs and senior management on making a transition of their business operations into sustainable economies. Rifkin is ranked #123 in the WorldPost / HuffingtonPost 2015 global survey of "The World's Most Influential Voices". He also is listed among the top ten most influential economic thinkers in the survey.[5] Rifkin has lectured before many Fortune 500 companies, and hundreds of governments, civil society organizations, and universities over the past thirty five years.[6]"

And your ranking is.....?

An economy that works for everyone does not need a police force to lock huge numbers of people up, with the consequence that you have one of the largest prison populations in the world (another reality check for you).

Paranoid about government? "Them" and "us"?

The Minister of Education, for example, will have the same desires for his children as for your children, and MMT shows it can be delivered by the state free to all, to the highest levels consistent with students' abilities.
Note: education is the transfer of knowledge from teacher to student, and as such (after the infrastructure is in place) is a renewable resource, ie the nation cannot "run out" of knowledge/education, meaning a currency issuing government can fund it without recourse to taxation.....just to help you over your fixation on money.

You already said that, and I already refuted it. (I'm tempted, but I won't talk about "buzzwords"... )

And so we have your classical liberal delusion of absolute individual liberty, not countered by government oversight - an outlook increasingly obsolete in our globally inter-connected world.

(eg, Are you going to support regulation of the parasitic private banking casino? I thought not....)