How do you stop a robbery if you are not allowed to carry a gun?

you anti-gun nutters are such a hoot. So willing to let the weaker, smaller, disabled die rather than be equal just to advance your agenda. So revealing! Maybe it would be more credible if you spent some time trying to solve the mentality of criminals preying on the weaker.

 

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Poisons put your life at risk if you do not have them???????????

If you DON'T have a car you are more at risk than if you do??????

This is not about accidents - read the research - this is about domestic violence gone horribly wrong

 

Are you saying a woman (or small guy) should only defend her/himself with pepper spray if that???

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Read what you quoted more carefully. He said that all those things put you at more risk THAN if you don't have them. Who's sleeping now?

 

Nope!!

The "logic" is eluding me - double negative

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Again research is showing that with a gun in the house your odds of dying are higher

Who as more concern?

 

Let me help you out. He repeated what I said. That if you own a car then your chances of dying in a car crash increases. We shouldn't own cars.

 

Your "research" doesn't include the women that have saved their life or the lives of others. I've posted several times all of the 600+ pages of self defense shootings. Many many of them are women.

If a person without a record wants to legally buy a gun, how do you foresee that he will someday shoot his wife? How do you prevent her death? Or are you in favor of confiscation?

 

One of the articles I linked to did state that although women have used guns to save their lives it is not frequent enough to be statistically significant

But drill down on this - at the bottom is domestic violence

They are people you want to keep guns away from

 

Of course there are people who shouldn't possess a firearm.
But since you can't predict the future, you can't keep guns out of the hands of those that are legally allowed.

 

Does it? I mean - where are your statistics? Certainly the DRIVING of a car whilst under the influence (illegal) or speeding (Illegal) or hmmmmm - is texting while driving illegal there?

This does not mitigate the clear evidence that simple ownership of a gun in a household increases the death and injury rate for women

Just because other things can also kill you does not mean you should not take precautions around those things known to kill. This is a false logic argument.

 

Yes but you can mitigate the risk

This is about numbers - and reducing overall statistics. So I ask, is there a way to mitigate the risk to women while still maintaining gun ownership "rights"

You were asking me before about self defence - now I ask you. Do you accept the high death and injury toll for women as "just one of those things" or is there a way to have a cake and eat it too?

 

And it's the same with firearms. You have yet to show why the mere possession of a firearm increase risk. If the mere possession of a car doesn't increase risk then why guns get special treatment? What so special about guns?

 

"500,000 to more than 3 million per year" is not significant? You disagree with the CDC?

 

Those that are legally allowed to own firearms should be able to do so without government interference.
Those that are legally disqualified should not be allowed.

 

Domestic violence is another reason women should have access to a firearm, and know how to use it.

 

Smart guy and your Austrailian should be commended for his bravery to "do something".

The question on my mind though---is how to do you stop a guy from robbing you who is holding a knife or baseball bat. Should questions run through my mind like, Does this guy with the bat have some sort of respect for human life? Am I going to get brain damage? Should I have brought my gun?

 

your research isn't really research. Try again and Gun owners care more.

 

Why is it not research?

 

You have a better chance of defending yourself against both a knife and a baseball bat - however the latter is not a common weapon here http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/mr/1-20/15/05_keyfindings.html

 

Then I want something superior to the knife or bat. Why purposely put yourself at more risk trying to do judo on the guy when if your life is at stake a firearm gives you distance?

 

You mean LESS at risk don't you?

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/1997/02/24/knives-00006/
So, if you are stabbed you have a better chance of surviving than if you are shot but the most telling statistic of all is simply this

Why are there not more people being murdered in Australia and England than in the USA?

If as is contended people are at risk without a weapon then surely more people should be dying over here than there and yet you have three times (at least) our homicide rate

 

I would do hand to hand if that's the only thing I got but I much rather keep the bad guy at a distance. Hands kill.

 

So can guns and you are only at an advantage if they are not armed and not prepared to shoot first

I live in a country with few guns so any assailants are likely not armed. I will take my chance with the large metal flashlight I keep in the car or failing that what a friend did - which was throw crockery at the would be thief as he cowered behind the sofa. Her flatmate called the police - AT THE THIEFS REQUEST! All she could say to me was "Thank goodness I never bother drying the dishes"

 

So what if the thief was armed? At least me being armed would make me equal.

 

That is my point - because of the lower ownership and availability of arms here it is unlikely you will have to face someone with a firearm.

 

But it eliminates my ability to be equal to the criminal if he's armed. Your gun deaths may be down but you have more crime than we do per 100000.