How impeachment impedes the Democratic Party

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  1. jhil2020

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    Remember October, when every major headline was further proof of Donald Trump's deterioration and unfitness to lead? After November 3rd, we witnessed a clean-cut transition to "America is Alive with Biden" forward-looking headlines in news media. By impeaching Pres. Trump after his administration has transfered power to the victor of the 2020 election, Joe Biden, Democrats keep ablaze his flame of salience and thus they give to their detractors a touchstone of the past, antagonizing their own rhetorical messaging.

    I think impeachment is actually a bad decision by Speaker Pelosi because it blunts the momentum of the Party's preferred narrative, which is NOT "Build Back Better" (it is "The Tyranny is Over; Time to Move Forward").

    Did Democrats not gain enough power to mostly control the federal government? If they did, why distract from that momentum by impeaching an out-of-office Trump? If they did not, why the mandate for activism?

    Tell me what I'm missing.
     
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    The way politics turns adult people into fourth graders. I believe it is called revenge for the cause of unlimited hatred. It isn't a good look.
     
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    Democrats have to Impeach Trump because nobody believes Biden is legit. This has more to do with delegitimizing Trump so Biden can get out from under his shadow. Trump speaks its 24 7 news. Nobody care that the ccp makes Biden say.
     
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    A link, which is required in the Current Events forum...

    However, this won't impede D's one iota... At worst, it might finally force the Senate to put in a few 8 hour days for a change...

    At best, they'll get worldwide credit for helping stop the spread of international fascism...

    Win/Win in my book...
     
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    The fact that he was still President when he was impeached.
     
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    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

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    I don't see it that way at all. Everything you wrote, especially the first paragraph, is irrelevant to 1/6.

    1/6 happened. Impeachment was a duty, and occurred quickly. The Republicans could have wrapped it up with a quick vote or invoking the 25th - if the political will were there. It wasn't. Pure cowardice.

    This isn't about politics. It's about justice. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks about it; it must be done.
     
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    Link?
     
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    Democrats are corrupt, and their voters just dont care.

    It's an effective cult. The dems instill hate in their followers, to the point their followers dont mind the corruption as long as their hate is sated.

    Its not all democrats ofcourse, but a growing number. Enough to get a guy elected that doesn't even know what he is signing LOL.
     
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    Lol dems corrupt? All the corrupt dems got pardoned by trump, along with corrupt republicans.
     
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    Incorrect.

    You elected a guy who is guilty of what you claimed Trump was with ukraine lmao.
     
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    Biden was executing US policy. If he’d broken any laws trump would have pardoned him anyway lol
     
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    Incorrect, but if you wish to irrationally believe that...that is not my fault.
     
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    Believing someone committed crimes they haven't been indicted on is textbook irrationality.
     
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    Incorrect. Its irrational to believe that an indictment must occur in order to believe someone committed a crime.

    I'm actually shocked you said that haha. So by your logic, witnessing a crime that doesn't get indicted means it never occurred lol.

    Thats the quality of democrat response I'd expect.
     
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    But he's not now. When Nixon resigned the impeachment was immediately halted. The Chief Justice refused to sit in judgement as this is an unconstitutional proceeding. The Senate has no conconstitutional authority to bring a private citizen into some kind of fake trial and then legally sanction them.
     
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    So was Trump, we have a mutual assistance treaty with Ukraine and they have been cooperating with our DOJ in the ongoing criminal investigation.
     
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    They found nothing wrong...
    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN23B2RB

    what’s trumps role in the DOJ anyway?
    Let me see if I understand, a guy who works with hunters lawyer can’t run his investigation, but trump can personally run an investigation into his political rival? Lol
     
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    What you are "missing"?

    Well, FIRST (and Foremost) you have just posted an OPINION Thread (in the Current Events Section).

    The Body of Your OPINION Post reads like Sour Grapes (from the Losing Side).

    Trump Incited a Deadly Act of Domestic Terrorism (and Insurrection) and Trump NEEDS to be held accountable. Period.
     
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    A Handful of Misguided BLIND "Partisans", does NOT Equal "Everybody".
    Give me a break.:bored:


    BUT, since you have started this Fun Word Game--I am going to.play.

    "nobody believes that the Pacific Ocean contains Water
    "nobody believes that the Sun Rises in the East"
    "nobody believes that the Sun Sets in the West"
    "nobody believes that 1+2=2"

    Do you have any more?
     
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    Then wait for the criminal trial.
     
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    As I have repeatedly said, if he violated the law and should be legally sanctioned that is for the judicial branch not the legislative branch, do you agree?
     
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    It is ongoing. The Presidents role is chief executive officer of the country and plenary power of foreign policy and affairs.
     
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    So you agree Joe getting involved in ukraine as VP was fine? So long as Obama told him to?
     
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    There is no criminal penalty for impeachment and conviction; the sole punishment is removal from office and, by separate vote, prohibition on holding future federal offices. A criminal penalty only results from conviction in a judicial criminal trial. The Legislative branch may remove him from office and prohibit him from holding future office.
     
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    Ridiculous. After complete control of the DOJ for four years, and numerous investigations, only a fool would think an indictment is imminent. Especially when the "crime" isn't a crime at all.
     

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