How would you react if your neighbors fired 45 missiles at your house? Palestinians fire at Israel

About 45 rockets and mortar shells were fired at Israel from the Gaza Strip on Tuesday night, some exploding in Gaza vicinity communities.
Seven rockets and mortars shells were intercepted by the Iron Dome air defense system, and at least three landed within the strip.
There were no reports of injuries, but damage was sustained. Numerous sirens were sounded in the Gaza vicinity throughout the night.
All schools and kindergartens were expected to open as planned Wednesday in the Gaza vicinity communities.
One rocket landed inside a community in the Eshkol Regional Council. A police sapper handled the rocket and the public was asked to stay away from the area until the police completed their work.
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5292044,00.html

I want to see all the hippies and leftists in Sweden, London or Paris when their neighbors will fire rockets and mortars at their house ..

 

Israel is pounding Gaza again ergo hasbara drivel everywhere.

More US tax funded war machinery to field trial on live humans and sell on to despots worldwide. It's a tough job but the least moral army in the world is up to it.

 

We have some grouchy old neighbors to the side of us who would do that.

 

the ONLY viable solution to this never ending situation is to simply leave Palestine completely alone in every way...no aid, no contact, no anything unless they do something aggressively stupid. Fall back on ancient siege tactics and starve them into becoming calm and giving up this failed tactic of futile attack. Obviously they want to create a "State" by force and no others are allowed to do this under international law, the age old Islamic warrior mindset is dead in a world striving for peace and until they grow up enough to sit at the adult table they get treated as the children they are.

 

and has been most days for the past several weeks. Some of the Palestinians started putting fire on their kites because Israel made it clear she would only respond to peaceful protest with mass bloodshed. They respond to Israel's mass killing and deliberately maiming for life of thousands with kites and balloons some with a little bite on them.

Here is a timeline of events since the protests began. It isn't viewable on Firefox so use a different browser if you want to see it.
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/t...-2018-1763972009#block-disqus-disqus-comments

 

Counter-question ... if you are harassed by your neighbor on a daily basis, how a third-class person is being treated, your sovereignty will be respected only as long as they are not opposed to your neighbor's interests, and he simply simply goes to your country in defiance of all interantional rights comes in and / or shoots ... would not you shoot back 45 missiles?

 

If we ever piss off our neighbours to the extent that they take such extreme responses, I’ll let you know. Historically we’ve only faced that kind of issue in British colonies and other occupied land and in most cases we ended up negotiating peace and granting (back) some form of self-rule or independence. Ireland is probably the closest comparison and that’s still not properly resolved after hundreds of years so I think the best response is to stand for peace regardless of how much it’s thrown back in your face, remain open to compromise however unfair it feels and don’t expect a quick or easy solution.

 

Irish people as i remember never tried to concour England ..
Irish people as i remember never tried to cross the border while their leader shouted "We will tear out all Englishmen's hearts"..

 

I’m pretty sure that kind of thing would have been said in and around the Irish War of Independence and we had vicious acts of terrorism (from both sides) in the decades that followed. There was no shortage of blind hatred.

The point is that in the early 1900s, any kind of peace between the UK and Ireland might has seemed as hopeless as any kind of peace in Israel does today. After much effort and sacrifice over many years, massive progress has been made in Ireland though, cutting through the hate and side-lining all those who didn’t want to see peace from anything other than their unilateral victory. There is absolutely no reason why the same can’t happen with Israel. The only question is whether you want to play a role in the hard work and sacrifice or the ongoing hatred and division that makes it necessary in the first place.

 

How would you react if your "ally" shot up a clearly marked and flagged Navy vessel killing scores in the course of several hours?

 

I can relate to the things you wrote .. It's just that in the Israeli side they teach peace in schools and Paleshtinians teach their kids how to use guns...

 

How would you react? That's easy, you return fire and kill a hundred of theirs for every one they kill of yours.

 

To be fair, Israel only waits until their children are 18 to teach them to use guns. Regardless, all that is a consequence of the situation not the cause and all the more reason to work together for a better future rather than continue to wilfully feed the division, hatred and conflict.

Don’t just attack your enemies for their sin (while conveniently ignoring the sins of your allies), step up and demonstrate how to be better people than all of them. It’ll be difficult, dangerous and one way or another, I doubt either of us will live long enough to see the benefits but playing your part to bring about those benefits for our (and their) children and children’s children should be sufficient motive in itself.

 

"How would you react if your neighbors fired 45 rockets at your house" - but no one was hurt or killed. I would obviously not be pleased.

How would you react if you came home to your apartment to find your wife and children dead because Israel dropped a 1000 lb bomb on your building because "some bad guy" happened to be visiting that building ?

How would you react ?

 

If they did not hit my house with 45 missiles expended, I would think they had really shitty marksmanship.

 

So you support the act of launching rockets in an attempt to draw fire toward innocent women and children to create images to fight the PR war against Israel? Hows that working out for you?

Counter, counter, question: What has been the result/gain all the other times rockets were fired at Israel?

Follow up question: Do you understand the definition of insanity?

 

Of course, the term insanity tells me something and it fits ... but better for the whole situation in the mad house is "violent spiral" as a term!

But the big problem is ... how to read the United Nations Human Rights Commission's resignation ... the one-sidedness and hypocrisy in the US and the Trump government on the issue. The Commission is too hostile to Israel, the American UN ambassador said as a reason ... and that's really the height of impudence and lies spread by the Trump administration on the subject!

No word and no criticism of Israel, no matter what kind of BS the Israelis are doing, such as illegal settlement construction in the West Bank! Not a word about the forced expropriation of Palestinians in the West Bank! Not a word about the mass attacks by these illegal Israeli settlers against the Palestinians, which not only silently accept the Israeli government, but actively support it. And if the Palestinians then peacefully or not peacefully, then they are shot by the Israeli army and the United States praise Israel for it!

 

I usually agree with you on most topics, but it seems you don't know enough about this particular conflict.

What you wrote sounds wonderful. Music in the ears of kindhearted people who sincerely wish nothing more than peace and harmony for the whole world.

You know what's wrong with this picture? It completely ignores reality.

Hamas is an offshoot of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, whose ultimate goal is establishing a world-wide Islamic caliphate under this organization's authority (this is the reason Muslim Brotherhood is outlawed in most Muslim countries, by the way). This is what Hamas wants. Not a Palestinian state, not freedom for their people, not a better life, not hugs and kisses in the shadow of white doves' wings. They want it all - not Israel, not the Middle East, but the whole world. They say it openly, by the way. This is what they teach their children. They probably think that destroying Israel would give them enough legitimacy in the Muslim world to attract more supporters, recruits and funds, and gain the desired power to start building their own brand of caliphate. The moment Israel would be out of the way, Hamas will turn against the Palestinian Authority (Abbas knows that, that's why he's holding on to the security cooperation with Israel for dear life, and that's also why the PA claims that Iran is behind the latest wave of unrest on the border).

The only way to terminate this conflict is terminate the ideology that fuels the conflict. I don't see it happening while the international community supports Hamas and its grip on Gaza.

You know what's really funny? Hamas' supporters are usually also Assad's supporters and Saudi Arabia's foes, their supreme argument being "but Assad's regime is secular". How can they say that with a straight face and support the extremist religious fanatics of Hamas at the same time? Talk about cognitive dissonance...

Too many people conflate support for Palestinian statehood with support for Hamas. The two are incompatible, given that an independent and prosperous Palestinian state would effectively spell the end of Hamas' legitimacy (unless the organization radically changes its ideology). Support for Hamas damages not only Palestinian themselves, but also reformists and moderates in the Arab and Muslim world.

 

Some "bad guy" ??
That's how you call someone like the mega terrorist in my profile picture ?

 

I don’t think anything you wrote contradicts my points. I never said it would be a quick and easy solution, I never even said it would actually happen but it is the only way such conflicts can be resolved. I totally agree that Hamas is an blocker that would need removing one way or another, as are the hard-line Zionist Israelis on the other side, but that’s surprisingly similar to the paramilitary terrorist groups and political extremists which came out both sides of the Irish conflict. They were eventually side-lined, drawing out the (relative) moderates to work the long and slow path to a meaningful peaceful solution.

People have been working on that in Northern Ireland for decades and they’re still some way from reaching a true stable conclusion. None of this has come close to starting in Israel so a peaceful solution isn’t even going to be visible on the horizon but that doesn’t mean it can’t happen. I will never happen as long as attitudes like the one expressed in the OP and like the ones expressed by the Islamic extremists you describe are allowed to dominate and that will take some strong people willing to put their heads above the parapets. If (when!) they do, there will be a distant light at the end of the tunnel.

 

The Muslim Brotherhood believe in winning support for themselves through democracy and that is the reason why Saudi Arabia and her minions do not like them. They do not like democracy. It interferes with the family business. They even tried to get the UK to declare them a terrorist group and there is nothing the Tories in the UK would not do for either the Sauds or the Israelis but the enquiry they set up to find the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist group was unable to do so.

This of course is not true and part of the spin after 9/11 to identify Hamas with Al Qaeda. Hamas have said they are not like this and are Nationalist - that is wanting their state of Palestine. As I have shown above your claims on the Muslim Brotherhood themselves are false.

Hamas certainly were encouraging suicide bombings against Israel because they felt they had been conned with Oslo and they were completely right about that. However the EU recognised that in order to get Oslo implemented it was essential that Hamas be involved. For that reason they engaged people with expertise in conflict resolution to work with them. This work was going well. It was discovered the only reason Hamas would not, unlike Fatah recognise an Israeli State on 78% of their ancient homeland was because Israel had never recognised a Palestinian State. Just when Crooke was at the point when he felt he could trust that Hamas were a viable group for peace talks, the UK on Bush's demands managed to get Germany to agree to stop these successful talks with Hamas and instead declare them a terrorist group. According to Crooke by doing that they were ending the possibility of a two state solution because no negotiations are ever done with groups labelled terrorists and hence this itself was a way of ending the 2 State solution. At this time Israel was also given a free hand to assassinate Palestinians at will, to set one of the strongest armies in the world against basically guerilla fighters embedded among civilians and to build more prisons to keep Palestinian Political Activists with or without trial. That is what you are saying is part of the propaganda which was used to end any hope of a State for the Palestinians and to allow Israel a free hand in taking from the Palestinians all of their homeland despite the reality that there most certainly was in Hamas people who a deal could have been made with had Israel been genuine about the two state solution.

Hamas generally only set off their rockets when Israel has been killing Palestinians and their rockets rarely do any harm. When asked what Britain would do if they had to put up with these rockets coming in - you know the one where every country is supposed to say they would go for genocide against the Palestinians, the UK's General Sir Nick Parker said Britain would most certainly not send the British army in to attack them. He said that given that Israel was building a new railway to the areas she claims are most at risk and encouraging her civilians to go and live there, he did not believe that Israel saw Hamas as a genuine danger. He said no country would be encouraging its civilians to go and live in a dangerous area. He believed that Israel was going on these attacks with her army against the people of Gaza to try and make the world believe that Hamas was dangerous. He said these rockets certainly were a nuisance and did occasionally cause some harm and even occasionally kill someone but the UK would approach the situation by trying to keep an eye on it and getting involved in discussions to sort the situation out. I think that was the sort of thing Honest Joe was talking about and the reason why the situation remains the same is because Israel with the help of the US/UK and Germany decided to create a situation where talk was impossible just at the moment when it was being recognised Hamas were a genuine party for peace. Israel does not want to talk and sort out the situation so she continues instead attacking destroying the infrastructure of Gaza, killing thousands of civilians and keeping them under siege living in conditions not fit for human habitation.

Crisis group years ago warned Israel that by refusing to negotiate with Hamas and leaving the civilians of Gaza in hell, people were leaving Hamas and joining Salafi groups - you know the kind you pretend Hamas is. He said Israel would find it far harder to deal with them. This of course suited Israel's plans as the last thing she wanted was to have to honour Oslo and allow the Palestinians 22% of their ancient homeland as a viable congruous state. She wanted it all and for the time being to warehouse Palestinians in Gaza until such time came that she could dispose of the people there - which many Israelis were trying to get going in Israelis 2014 assault. Now these Salafi Jihaddi groups are the main ones who set of rockets but Israel chooses to blame Hamas for that.

http://www.gresham.ac.uk/lectures-and-events/gaza-israel-the-legal-and-the-military-view

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n05/alastair-crooke/permanent-temporariness


http://www.geneva-accord.org/mainmenu/interview-with-alistair-crook

OMG, now you are pretending Hamas has the ability to destroy Israel. How long did it take to create this bit of propaganda. You must believe Honest Joe knows nothing about the situation. Whether he does or not I do not know.

This is another piece of totally untrue propaganda. As I have pointed out on the demands of the Bush administration a situation was created whereby no support was given for Hamas by the 'International Community'. Hamas was declared a 'terrorist' group in order that they could not be involved in negotiations, in order that Israel could be free to take all of Palestine - though according to Crooke at that time they believed, it may well have been a bluff, but they believe that a time would come when Israel would see that for demographic reasons she had to come to a peace agreement. Never happened. I suspect that was just part of the propaganda in the decision by the West to allow Israel to colonise the rest of Palestine, keep the people there as prisoners for ever if need be - from cradle to grave for many - until Israel had got what wanted....and Israel wants it all. The reason for the US to act so abdominally - 100 million American Christian Right are a hell of a lot of votes and they want Israel to have all the land it says in the Bible. They were in no way going to allow a 2 state solution and made this very clear in 1995 by passing a law saying that they would be moving their embassy to Jerusalem the undivided Capital of Israel and in that letting everyone who was listening know that they were not supporting the two state solution. Ten days later Israeli extremists assassinated Rabin. Certainly the first belief in the UK for 9/11 was that it was a response to the US encouraging Israel not to implement Oslo.

Now we have got to the stage where Israel has so little respect for a Palestinian life that she has over the Past weeks mowed down thousands of Palestinians for protesting about Israel keeping them locked up under siege and not allowing them their legal right of return to their homes across the fence that she believes she can get away with mass murder and the deliberate maiming for life of thousands of Palestinians including medics, the Press, women and children, the disabled and the old. It isn't that people applaud Hamas who are virtually powerless. Hamas did not organise the Great March. That was a grassroots activity which Hamas only agreed to be involved in when it became apparent the people were going to do it with or without their approval. It is not that people support Hamas. It is that they support the Palestinians right to justice and the same rights all other people in the world have and probably that they realise Hamas is the bogey man Israel uses to excuse her disrespect for International Law, her warehousing of them while she steals their land and resources and her mass killing of unarmed civilians.

 

The hard-line Zionists will lose popular support as soon as the existential threat posed by Hamas and its Iranian masters wanes. They're not the problem, yet, but are likely to become one because international support for Hamas threatens to push Israel into an indefensible corner. My country veers to the right a little bit with every anti-Israel UN resolution. If this unhinged craziness won't stop soon, we'll become what we fight against in order to survive - fanatics.

Arab states leaders understand Israel's dilemma better than their European counterparts, but their hands are tied by their own convoluted interests. They wish Israel would wipe out the Iranian regime, Hezbollah and Hamas included as a bonus, but they also wish to appear in the eyes of the Muslim world as saviors of the Islamic places of worship in Jerusalem due to hegemonic ambitions. It's a no-win situation they created and maintain. It would be in the Arab states best interest to have the anti-Israel resolutions rejected and Hamas driven into the sea, but they can't afford themselves to say so for fear of losing status and influence.

The comparison with Ireland has one fatal flaw: the Irish never contemplated conquering, converting and ruling the entire world. Did they?

 

When an act of war is done against you you bring all the hurt you can muster against them. You hurt them as much as you can, kill them, break their stuff, bring maximum pain upon them until you win. Winning is the only thing that counts.

 

Nor did they want to exterminate the English population and drive them into the ocean. ireland is not a good analagy/comparison.

 

I would accept the missiles hitting my house because I know I deserve it.

I would not retaliate and try to stop the missiles. That would be considered "apartheid" or "Zionist".