How you can help correct the mistake made Nov 3, 2020

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Her message is she is trying to ensure a fair election.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is an update on the AZ vote audit.
    Still have some in AZ dragging their feet.
    https://www.azfamily.com/news/polit...cle_049e9a00-1a79-11ec-8f65-a7d42f535f0f.html
    PHOENIX (3TV/CBS5) - A county supervisor questioned the political objectivity of the former congressman who was tapped last week to help end the fighting over the partisan election review.

    On Friday, Maricopa County announced an agreement that included handing hand over the computer routers and other election materials the Republican controlled Senate that had subpoenaed to third party for a review.

    As part of that deal, the board and the Senate agreed former Republican Congressman John Shadegg would hire his own team of computer and technical experts to conduct the review.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Reports made by people that actually know Trump.
    As you point out, you don't know him and therefore should not spend time wasted on badmouthing Trump.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unless you are an ill man. Trump is a good person.

     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What has happened after Nov 2020 is irrelevant to what lead to the Nov 2020 decision. Nov 2020 was solely based on what had taken place prior to that, not after. Independents were just tired of Trump's behavior, nothing more, nothing less. If not Biden, then someone else. Biden was a safe bet, a safe candidate. There wasn't much in Biden for independents to get up in arms about. Staying hidden, Biden didn't give them or anyone else for that matter, a reason to dislike him. I sometimes call him the stealth candidate. He knew, all the polls showed how much Trump was disliked as a person, how much independents hated his very unpresidential behavior. Staying hide was a wise political strategy on Biden's part. He let Trump hog all the media time, letting Trump remind independents why they disliked him so. Biden let Trump beat Trump. Biden didn't beat him, he was just an alternative.

    It was, look, I'm not calling anyone names, I'm not throwing temper tantrums, I'm not creating needless feuds. I'm acting and behaving like you think a president should, not a reality TV show host or a WWE wrestler. Policy never entered the fray, it was all about personality. Especially among independents. Good persona vs. bad persona. The beauty contest, the popularity contest.

    I firmly believe had Trump behaved more presidential in the accepted norm, presented more of a pleasant personality, more akin to other presidents, he would have won. Which leads me back to Trump beating Trump.
     
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    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    You are making a huge assumption about me and whether I have ever had personal contact with Donald Trump. I have never spoken about any contact with him.
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    "If."

    They don't. Not even close.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Stop complaining. You do it to Trump all the time.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Media defeated Trump.
    And you keep proving it is just like that.

    You mimic every negative said by our relentless Media.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can believe as you will. Fact is/was independents never liked Trump to begin with. He was one lucky SOB to be matched up against Hillary Clinton in 2016. Even then, 57% of independents disliked Trump, had an unfavorable view of him. Trump was lucky, 70% of independents disliked her. 2016 was an election where neither major party's candidate was wanted to become the next president. The problem, one had to. Question 10 and 11.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/l37rosbwjp/econTabReport_lv.pdf
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you telling me the independents contrived this all by themselves?
    The media defeated Trump by lying about him.
     
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    I suspect you are right because it has been nine months without a revelation to the contrary in spite of all the attempts to do so.
     
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    I think Dan Crenshaw is our salvation. We are very short of men strong enough to say to Trump, "I share many of your goals, but you're demeaning yourself and widening the divide between us Americans, and it's time for you to sit down."

    Crenshaw can do this, with a big smile on his face.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    This is interesting. What policies has Trump been advocating that are superior to Biden's?
     
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    this

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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    A. that seems a picture of Trump, not Biden

    B. I meant actual specific policies, but obviously you don't have any. Memes don't substitute for facts.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All I'm saying is independents didn't like Trump since the day he announced his candidacy for the presidency in 2015. They preferred other GOP candidates, but independents don't vote in Republican Primaries and caucuses. They do however vote in the General election. They also didn't like Hillary Clinton,, which is why we seen 9 million independents voted third party against both Trump and Clinton in 2016.

    The dislike of Trump was there in 2015 by independents which has carried over to this day. Recognize it or not, that's up to you. Personality determined both presidential races, election in 2016 and in 2020. The candidate that was disliked the most by independents lost in both elections

    Isn't it interesting that 42% of independents voted for Hillary in 2016 while 12% voted against both Trump and Clinton. Add them up, 54%. In 2018 54% of independents voted for the Democratic congressional candidates and in 2020, 54% voted for Biden over Trump. The dislike was always there. The numbers prove that.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The non-rational dislike of Trump is due to the media attacking him daily.
    They reported lies. Independents simply are not very able to see what is a lie vs the truth.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump never was the problem. The media has long been the problem. We may indeed see Crenshaw as president in the future.
     
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    No, he was the voice of many of us fed up with political correctness, a porous border, the centralization of authority in the faraway district of Columbia, disrespect for police, and disrespect and shame for our history.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No to what? Trump has been our voice.
     
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    A multiple time adulterous, multiple time accused serial rapist, thief that embezzled from charities, that made less than the stock market on his inherited wealth, twice impeached, quasi-fascist, vindictive narcissist that was mocked on the world stage and has the emotional and educational intelligence of an eighth grader “has been your voice”?

    Ah the silent generation — never silent enough.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    The Silent Majority. Neither silent nor a majority
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As president, definitely. Nothing you alleged was proven in court.
    Lastly two times Democrats tried to overthrow the Government and each time failed.
     
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    Which point do you take issue and I will be happy to source.

    Republicans are the only ones that attempted to overthrow the court, stacked the USSC with hyper partisans and created unparalleled levels of strife.
     
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