How's the U.S. actually fairing?

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Quote!
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's inevitable that Trump is your source of information, or lack thereof. He is the first one to receive the intelligence, and he chooses whether he wants to allow people to prepare for the crisis by alerting therm, or not to prepare by minimizing the threat. Whether an outbreak in some obscure province of China has the potential to affect us is not something you or I can figure out on our own. This is why we have intelligence agencies. And why we usually have Presidents who do what is best for the people with this information. It just so happens that this one did not.
     
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    Assumptions, opinions, blind partisanship... not worth further response. Rent free indeed.
     
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    Did you put that on wiki? But even that doesn't support your false claim that Tramp's task farce was started while the Left was handing out impeachment pens, you need to edit wiki again with a start date before Jan 16.
    From Tramp's own announcement:
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...bers-coronavirus-task-force-press-conference/
    James S. Brady Press Briefing Room
    February 26, 2020
    We’re doing something else that’s important to me, because he’s been terrific in many ways, but he’s also very good on healthcare. And we really followed him very closely — a lot of states do — when Mike was governor — Mike Pence — of Indiana. They’ve established great healthcare. They have a great system there. It’s a system that a lot of — a lot of the other states have really looked to and changed their systems. They wanted to base it on the Indiana system. It’s very good. And I think — and he’s, really, very expert at the field.

    And what I’ve done is I’m going to be announcing, exactly right now, that I’m going to be putting our Vice President, Mike Pence, in charge. And Mike will be working with the professionals, doctors, and everybody else that’s working. The team is brilliant. I spent a lot of time with the team over the last couple of weeks, but they’re totally brilliant, and we’re doing really well. And Mike is going to be in charge, and Mike will report back to me. But he’s got a certain talent for this.
     
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    Quite the contrary. The post you quote includes several very good points, which were made objectively and after thorough research (read my sig). The fact that you can't respond to them is evidence of that.
     
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    And as I said in a different thread: Had Trump extended a restriction to all European countries, he would've been met with another legal injunction. Maybe even Impeachment #2! And Trump/we know it, because we LIVED it for 3 years.

    Any Democrat who says "nuh-uh" has to look at the history of the actions the Party has taken in 3 years. The pattern's been established. Anything Trump does is bad, anything Trump does must be resisted and he has to be investigated for everything, including things he never did.
     
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    62 deaths per million population for the United States. Spain has 355 deaths per million population. Italy has 322 deaths per million population. France has 212 deaths per million population. Belgium has 289 deaths per million population. Odd how those countries except the US have Government run Universal Health Care. Guess this is where the rubber meets the road.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
     
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    Australia has government run Universal Health Care. So do Canada, Sth Korea, New Zealand, Taiwan, Israel, Japan, Norway, Poland, Romania, Austria & Germany. I'm sure there are others on the list with similar systems and better deaths per million than the US. Can't even read your own data set. Oh dear.

    Maybe one day you will actually put forth an argument that doesn't just look like a regurgitation of something you read online....but I'm not sure any of us will live to see it.

    ....this is where you defend your pathetic argument by claiming you are countering someone else's pathetic argument. Can't be taking responsibility now, can we.
     
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    I didn't say it wasn't in response to the epidemic. But it was a useless response. Look at the numbers!!! And read the link.

    When all this is done, we'll find that the number of infected in this country will be in the millions. And it didn't have to be.
     
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    No, but what I said was that it was Biden's response to the first concrete step he took. "Hysterical xenophobia". Is that the leadership you want?
     
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    This just shows how unhinged the left and TDS is. This is actually somewhat sickening that people would rather see more people die then have Trump reelected.

     
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    The insults are childish.
     
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    I don't want hysterical xenophobia in the Presidency like we have now. That's one of the reasons why I'm voting against Trump.
     
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    If shutting down travel to/from China was an example of "hysterical xenophobia" as Biden said, then Biden wouldn't have done it. And that is the so-called "leadership" you're going to vote for.

    Just so I'm not only knocking Democrats, I will say that your typical career politician - Republican or Democrat - would have had a much slower and tepid response because it is in their DNA to avoid criticism and controversy. That's what you're going to vote for. Don't kid yourself.
     
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    Travel wasn’t shut down to/from China. Only to Chinese nationalists. Hence, xenophobia.
     
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    That was not xenophobia. The greatest numbers of corona virus carriers were in China at the time. You know it started there, right?
     
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    that’s literally the text book definition of xenophobia.

    and we didn’t restrict travel to/from China. Only to Chinese nationalists. Had we shut down ALL travel, then it wouldn’t have been xenophobic. But trump didn’t do that.
     
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    Our intelligence agencies always seem to have been right on the cutting edge of events in retrospect. The investigations have already started to expose this President for his work in the Wuhan lab to create this virus and bring it home on AF1 to infect all of us. We must get rid of this President immediately before he totally destroys the marvelous socialist gains of the Obiden administration.
     
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    Biden (or any moderately competent President) would have done it, not out of hysterical xenophobia, like Trump did. But as part of a coordinated effort to mitigate the effects of the virus. Restricting travel would only be one step (and not even the most important) in that effort. At the same time, they would have to re-stock the emergency stockpile according to the needs of this particular crisis, alert the people and the private sector so they could prepare well in advance, lead (not follow) a worldwide research effort on testing, cure and vaccination, strengthen (not dissolve, like Trump did) the WH office dedicated to deal with pandemics... follow all the steps that the Obama administration outlined, and Trump ignored, written in the "Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Emerging Infectuious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents"

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6819703/WH-Pandemic-Playbook.pdf

    I can't think of anybody, Democrat or Republican, who would have handled this crisis in a worse way than Trump did.

    And that's who you are going to vote for. And you're already kidding yourself.
     
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    Or before he, through his incompetence, kills any more of us.
     
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    Any more of us? You think he's slaughtering liberals then?
     
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    Any one of those clowns that put us through all those 'debates' would have been worse. Biden would not have killed Osama or that Iranian terrorist and he would not have banned travel from China. Bear in mind that when he did shut that door there were people from America and around the world still stuck there and needed to be brought home, so we did.
     
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    Yet more grown up than your arguments, which you clearly can't even be bothered trying to defend. You trotted out a tired argument you read somewhere else and then linked to a website that showed how shallow it was. I suppose acting all hurt rather than defending that makes sense.

    Just curious, as you are now passing judgement on maturity, would you consider calling Trump 'COVID Donny' childish? How about calling Obama 'Ebola Barry'? or some variation. Would that be childish? Would you agree that a person who engaged in that sort of childish name calling was in no position to criticise the posts of others? Just curious.
     
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