How's the U.S. actually fairing?

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Early days for the US - you are a couple of weeks behind Italy and have the advantage of learning from them
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Biden will not be as great a President as Obama. But he'll be .... George Washington, compared to Trump.

    Of course Biden would have ordered a ban. It's not a hard decision if it's part of a strategy to deal with the epidemic. Not as propaganda stunt, like Trump did, to earn political points among his racist followers, which was completely useless to deal with the crisis.
     
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    Let me see, Trump is doing the right thing but for the wrong reasons? Is that really the best you can do?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    No! Trump is doing the wrong thing for the wrong reasons.
     
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    Well I'm glad you cleared that up.
     
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    From your own source: China and Cuba have 2 deaths per million.
    And Canada which has universal health care is 20 deaths per million to America's 69 and growing deaths per million.
     
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    The US passed the EU on a cases per millions basis about 6 days ago and we continue to accelerate away from them.

    In terms of deaths per million, the EU is larger than the US. But yesterday is the first day that the rolling three day average shows that the US is catching up the EU on that metric.
     
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    What's your source? The worldometer link I've posted shows that Spain, Italy, France, and Germany (alone) have a higer confirmed rate, and a far higher number of deaths. The total population of those four nations combined is significantly lower than the U.S. population. They have a combined death count of 56k to our 23k.
     
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    As of today the U.S. has got barely above half of a million people infected and already the governors of states are saying that the worst is over -- many of them are Dem Party governors by the way -- and that we now need to concentrate on getting the economy restarted. Soooooo . . . are they liars? Are they fools? Trump also wants to restart the economy and so are those Dem Party governors . . . traitors?
     
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    I'm glad you brought up the Playbook:

    -Closings? Done.
    National Declaration? Done
    Social DIstancing? Done.

    This IS their game plan. National Authorization Act? Done, and it hasn't made a difference either.

    The Trump Government has already been de-facto taken over by Democrats and Democratic Governors. For the first time in over 200 years of the Republic's existence.

    So this is the Democratic Game Plan, and I will be voting as though I hold Democrats responsible for the crisis, Since as they bragged, this was the playbook.
     
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    Just to update, the rate of new infections has slowed across the nation and many Dem Party governors are now demanding that the economy be restarted. As of today there was a total of 572,587 cases of infection and 23,078 deaths. The overall population of the United States -- plus God only knows how many illegals -- is 328.2 million.

    Naturally we have many leftists SCREAMING that the U.S. leads the world in infectious cases but apparently none of them passed any of their required math courses and so they are unable to understand that the ratio of over all population to infected and to the dead puts the U.S. near the bottom of the infections and death statistics for the Corona Virus. Italy, France, Spain, Britain due to the relative few numbers of their populations in comparison to the numbers infected and dead . . . are all near the very top. So . . . it . . . goes.
     
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    My source is worldofmeters, but I input the data into an excel so that I could specifically track all of the EU countries against the US.

    Here is the Per Capita (Per Million) Infection Rate:

    upload_2020-4-13_17-8-13.png

    Those numbers in the bottom left are the differences in the rolling 7 day (left side) and 3 day (right side) since the day that the US passed the EU. Essentially, both show that the US is continuing to outpace the EU over that time frame with the current 7 day rolling average being +340 for the US and the current 3 day rolling average being +140 for the US.

    I only bothered to track all of the EU data for the last 2 weeks, so that's why the EU line looks so funky.

    Here is the Per Capita (Per Million) Death Rate:

    upload_2020-4-13_17-13-4.png

    Similar thing here in that I only started tracking that data for the last ~17 days or so. You can see the differences in the rolling 7 Day and 3 Day averages for the last 5 days. As I mentioned, yesterday was the first day that the rolling 3 Day Average was higher on the US side (hence the blue for the 0.904). The 7 day rolling average still favors the EU, although you can see it dropping over those 5 days from 13.72 to 3.154.
     

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    Oh. I think I'll continue to just observe the numbers as they come out as opposed to relying on random forum guy playing with excel.
     
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    I have no idea what you're talking about because you provide no quotes from all those "Dem Party governors". And you won't because you just repeat crap you hear on the Fox echo-chamber.

    The number of infected is almost 600 thousand. Easily we will surpass a million before this is over. There are over 23 thousand dead right now! And we know this would probably be bad no matter who the President was. But this President* was the worst possible to handle this crisis.
     
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    Not much makes a difference when it's done too late and by an incompetent President with no plan.

    Not yet. But I fear that if we are ever to get out of this, they will have to. Because Trump looks more and more deranged every time he appears in public.

    The playbook was to get rid of an incompetent and criminal President who at any moment would put the country at risk due to his incompetence and dishonest. That's the playbook on the Constitution. But the Senate refused to do what the Constitution demands for purely political reasons.
     
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    I follow you. You don't approve of the America first approach. Seems like you're much more of a "Globalist".
     
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    Biden couldn't remember which country to ban. Who does he take orders from....his wife or his sister? He can't remember which is which!
     
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    Orrrrrrrrr . . . you could simply pay attention to what your fellow leftists are posting in this forums system. It's currently a hot topic that a bunch of Dem Party governors agree with Trump that it's time to restart the economy. But just for the chronically helpless, here's a link for the topic in this forum: http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/‘worst-is-over-’-cuomo-says-as-6-states-ally-to-reopen-economy-live-updates.571135/#post-1071596122

    Here's the original article link: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html
     
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    I said: "I don't want hysterical xenophobia in the Presidency like we have now"

    To which you respond:

    So at least you acknowledge what we have been saying for a long time. That Trump's "America first" is actually hysterical xenophobia.
     
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    [Insert here joke with quotes and lewd pictures showing how Trump confuses his wife and his daughter.. I'm just not in the mood to spend too much time with this nonsense today.... try me again tomorrow...]
     
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    That's fine. I dont particularly care if you trust my recording of the data and I encourage you to verify if you want.

    Just when you pay attention to those numbers, remember to actually compare all of the EU/Europe instead of four countries with a combined population that is 1/2 of the total for the EU.
     
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    Uhmmm... you do know, I hope, that New York is not the only state in the Union. And that Cuomo is not "a bunch" by a longshot. And that nobody has agreed with Trump on anything of the sort. And that you have either provided no quotes, or you have no idea what the word "quote" means.
     
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    Here's the raw count total for the last two weeks for the US and the EU. The Per Capita/Per Million is the next column.

    Infections:

    upload_2020-4-13_20-37-0.png

    Deaths

    upload_2020-4-13_20-35-20.png
     

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    Suit yourself. 'tis no skin off my nose.
     

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