"I dare you to hit my car"

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Steve N, Nov 12, 2019.

  1. DaveBN

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    To your example, there are taxes paid on the purchase of the burger. Yes. The collective purchases of the customer base go to cover the overhead of the business (ie. wages, material resources, building etc.). Anything leftover would be profit. In this instance the customers are still paying taxes.
    I don’t see how your example applied to my argument invalidates anything. Could you clarify?
     
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    You’re ignoring the risks of home ownership. Your home could decrease in value for reasons entirely out of control. Then suddenly your equity cushion is gone.
     
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  3. DaveBN

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    I can agree with your argument as all participants in your example participate in the economy. Customers enable business, business enables my ability to labor, my labor pays me currency, I pay my taxes. So sure. Customers pay my taxes. And so does my company. And so does my labor.

    Done?
     
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    All things come with risk. Generally they’re proportionate to the benefits of the action. Unless said actions are just stupid in nature.
     
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    Family situations don’t always allow for that option. Square footage and neighborhood safety have to be taken into consideration as well.
     
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    Living within your means is always an option.
     
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    Then I see we can agree that renters don't pay property taxes.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, like forcing the government to give home loans to people who can't afford to pay them back.
     
  9. DaveBN

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    Can you explain how you came to that understanding of my post? Thank you.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Reality.

    A renter is not involved in any aspect of paying property tax, and the property tax is paid for (or not), regardless of having a renter, not having a renter, having a renter pay their lease payment, or having a renter not pay and get evicted.

    The paying of the property tax is not contingent on the existence of the renter, or the status of their payments.

    You're paying rent. How that rent is used, or what it is used to pay for, is not under your control.
     
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    Would you recommend family planning services should be made more readily available to assist families in controlling their size?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How much more readily available could condoms and birth control pills be, exactly.
     
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    You’re right, without a renter the property taxes are paid by the property owner. A rental property that goes indefinitely without a renter eventually fails (assuming the property owner isn’t independent wealthy and fine with eating the loss). Property taxes on rental properties are dependent on them being occupied and rent paid. Therefore renters pay property tax.
    But hey, I understand now that this just isn’t going to get through to you, so... you do you I guess. :roll:
     
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    More than they are now. They could be free. Or they could be 100% effective. That would be good to. Not sure that’ll ever be the case though. Or we could stop the assault on women’s reproductive health decisions.

    But now we’re going off the rails.
     
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    It used to be this way as you were a vested contributor to the system and not a net receiver of those benefits. There are many people today who are of the voting class, who thinks giving everyone 1 million dollars would solve poverty.
     
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    With or without a renter the property taxes are paid by the property owner.

    No, property taxes on rental properties are not dependent on them being occupied and rent paid. The property tax is paid if they're occupied or not.
     
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    Oh here it comes. "I should get condoms for free", instead of walk into any of 10 stores near me that sells them and buy them.

    Maybe they could pay your rent and buy you a Mercedes while they're at it.
     
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    And when they’re occupied they become the burden of the renter. Unless you don’t think rental rates are impacted by taxes?
     
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    Why not? Fewer of the people that the right loves to malign.
    Who wants to subsidize cars for anyone? I haven’t suggested such a thing.
     
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    Property taxes are a pass thru to the tenant, but the tenant does not pay the property tax directly. If the landlords does not pay the taxes, the tenant is SOL and is at the behest of the government on if their occupancy continues or they sell the property to clear the tax lean.
     
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    No, they don't.

    If you don't pay your rent this month will the property tax still be paid.
     
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    Exactly.

    If the landlord takes the rent and spends it on hookers and blow and doesn't pay the property tax, the renter can't pay it either.
     
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    Depends on the ability of the landlord to cover unexpected expenses.
     
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    Condoms and birth control are as easily obtained as milk and eggs.

    Having children and paying for them is your responsibility.

    If you want to live in a country that has a Constitution that guarantees you free stuff, move to Venezuela. They have a great freebie plan.
     
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    Whether the renter directly pays property taxes or not is immaterial. They’re money is used for their purpose. And yes criminal misuse of funds can cause the loss of the property. That’ should be addressed in a way that does not negatively impact good tenants.
     

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