If God is not real...

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  1. yguy

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    Everyone who hates God hates his or her parents as well. This is not coincidence.
     
  2. Rampant.A.I.

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    Based on what, your personal testimony? Then why is the rejection of non-"natural" birth control part of their doctrine?

    In your personal opinion.

    3-second Google search for "catholics birth control"

    Orthadox does not preach against condoms in general.[/QUOTE]

    Really?

    Opinions about contraception have varied in the Orthodox Church. There is complete unanimity that no form of contraception that is abortifacient is acceptable and there are definitive ecumenical canons that proscribe abortifacients. The Fathers of the Church, such as Ss. Athanasius the Great, John Chrysostom, Epiphanios, Jerome, Ambrose, Augustine of Hippo, Caesarious, Gregory the Great, Augustine of Canterbury and Maximos the Confessor, all explicitely condemned abortion as well as the use of abortifacients. However there are a range of opinions on the issue of non-abortifacient contraception.
    1) There are those who hold the view that sex should only be for the purpose of procreation, and so even natural family planning would be prohibited.
    2)There are those who argue that natural family planning is acceptable, because it simply involves abstinence from sex during times when fertility is likely.
    3)There are those who teach that non-abortifacient contraception is acceptable if it is used with the blessing of one's spiritual father, and if it is not used simply to avoid having children for purely selfish reasons. The statement on marriage and family from the 10th All-American Council of the Orthodox Church in America follows along these lines, as does "The Bases of the Social Concept of the Russian Orthodox Church," section XII. 3, which was approved by the 2000 Council of the Russian Orthodox Church.


    http://orthodoxwiki.org/Contraception
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Really?

    Opinions about contraception have varied in the Orthodox Church. There is complete unanimity that no form of contraception that is abortifacient is acceptable and there are definitive ecumenical canons that proscribe abortifacients. The Fathers of the Church, such as Ss. Athanasius the Great, John Chrysostom, Epiphanios, Jerome, Ambrose, Augustine of Hippo, Caesarious, Gregory the Great, Augustine of Canterbury and Maximos the Confessor, all explicitely condemned abortion as well as the use of abortifacients. However there are a range of opinions on the issue of non-abortifacient contraception.
    1) There are those who hold the view that sex should only be for the purpose of procreation, and so even natural family planning would be prohibited.
    2)There are those who argue that natural family planning is acceptable, because it simply involves abstinence from sex during times when fertility is likely.
    3)There are those who teach that non-abortifacient contraception is acceptable if it is used with the blessing of one's spiritual father, and if it is not used simply to avoid having children for purely selfish reasons. The statement on marriage and family from the 10th All-American Council of the Orthodox Church in America follows along these lines, as does "The Bases of the Social Concept of the Russian Orthodox Church," section XII. 3, which was approved by the 2000 Council of the Russian Orthodox Church.


    http://orthodoxwiki.org/Contraception[/QUOTE]

    Your quoting Church Fathers such as Augustine on abortion ? What the heck does that have to do with Condoms ? and what does that have to do with what modern orthadox ministers preach. I am not familiar with Russian Orthadox but very familiar with Greek, Serbian and Romanian Orthadox.

    You have no clue what you are talking about .. "why are you talking about abortion ??? we are talking about condoms and you clearly have no clue about what most orthadox ministers are like or what they preach.

    90 %, if not more of Orthadox Priests are going to take 3) as meaning go ahead and use contraception.

    I am intimately familiar with Lutheran Doctrine and no Lutheran Ministers preach against condoms with the blessing of the Synod. These have gone off the path.

    It is only Evangelical, Pentacostal and a few other extremist Churches who have lost their way that preach against condoms.
     

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