If God is not real...

Why does he have so many enemies?
If God is not real, why the hate?

I'm agnostic, but I don't understand the problem with letting Christians be Christians. They have rights too.

 

It takes two to tango. If you come to this forum to find people who agree with you you are in the wrong place.

The outside world holds the same principles.

Always expect someone to ask you why if you give an opinion.

 

Wow this is great to hear an agnostc say this. I never understud why atheist had to mock bash and speak out against religious people.

 

I am an athiest and lean a little towards the more radical side.

I dont hate christians as long as they keep it to themselves and stop trying to brainwash children. What you believe in and do in private is up to you. I do think that tax breaks given to churches should be banned and i would ban missionaries in developing countries.

 

There are some that just go around and hate for the sake of it, but they are few and have the same intellectual credibility as the Westboro Baptist Church.

I have no problem with any god or gods personally, nor do I have a problem with people who say grace and pray to get parking space (Well sometimes I argue against it, but never because I have an actual problem with it, only to prove a point in another discussion).

I do have a problem with certain things that Christianity is responsible for, telling all of Christian Africa that Condoms are an abomination when AIDS is killing a large number of people, telling people who they can and cannot marry because they decided to follow the Bible for no reason at all, and so on. Note that these examples do exist, regardless of whether a god does.

I have no problem with the freedom of being whatnot, but if you say that these examples and others are not changing other people's lives for the worse, or that people should impose their view on others, especially if they base it on nothing, then I would have to disagree.

Also, "hate", this is a political forum. Look at this page, posts from anywhere on the political, religious, ideological or other spectra sound pretty harsh. It's not that they are particularly angry, it's just harder than most people think to write text that does not sound angry. It's hard to see what tone a poster is using from the text. For instance, my third paragraph, if you disagree with it, you're more likely to read it like a cherry picking hate speech, where as I imagined more of an explanatory tone when I wrote it. This goes both ways, I've seen Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Socialists, Rightwingers and so on say things that were not necessarily hateful but was interpreted as hateful by those answering because of careless wording.

 

Because anti-Christs have been brainwashed to believe two falsehoods.

1. That the world is over populated.
2. That religion has killed more people than anything else. When in reality Atheism has killed more human being in 100 years than all religions combined.

As long as fools hang on to these two false notions, they are going to use either/or; or both to base their hatred in.

The AIDS in Africa would have nothing to do with it being very closely related to the plague that hit Europe hard, hence it looking like an epidemic just there, when those of us that are descendants from the European plague are being found to have be immune to it, because we have one or two genes turned on, that most in Africa don't.

Or are you one of those that only uses evolutionary science when it suits you?

 

And I have the right to not be a Christian, but fundie Christians think my not being a Christian and following their faerie tale book is a violation of their rights to make me follow it.

 

Let's see, Second World War, started by the very religious Nazis and the very religious Japanese. That war killed 70 million people.

 

No where in the Bible does it say they have to make you follow it. Show us one example of anyone "forcing" you to follow it.

The Nazis and the Emperor of Japan were not religious by any stretch of the imagination. That's like say Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi are actually Catholics. LMAO!!

Though, I do want to thank you. I had not counted those two into my figures before! The fact that these leaders were Atheists at heart; adds another 70 million+ onto the Atheist total!

 

Oh wow, a flat out lie. The Nazis leadership and the Japanese leadership were both religious. They were not atheists by any stretch of the imagination. Your logical fallacies hold no weight.

And you may have heard of the law? When the law says I can't do something because it'll offend Christians then that's Christians forcing their religion upon me.

 

I agree with the above, to an extent. There's no reason to discriminate against someone for their beliefs.

I'm non-religious (Agnostic) but have been and will continue to attend various religious services, Christian and otherwise, because they interest me. I may not always agree with what's being said, but usually the underlying message is good. I just have a weak stomach for dogma.

Now, to challenge someone's beliefs when they're presented as self-evident facts, when in the proper forum... That's another thing entirely,

 

The NAZI leadership dipped into cultist prophecies and made up a religion. In reality there is no such thing as the Aryanism.

The Emperor of Japan claimed a state run Shinto belief system on a populous that practiced "Shinbutsu shūgō" (an amalgamation of differing beliefs that even have diametrically opposed teachings).

So like I said, no one in their right mind thinks Biden or Pelosi are Catholics, yet both claim to be.

 

HIMMLER dipped into the occult. Hitler, etc were Catholics. Only 1 high ranking Nazi was excommunicated. FAIL.

 

Just like Biden and Pelosi are Catholics! Of course Hitler has gone a touch farther than them and replace Bibles with Mien Kemp in the schools, and Hermann Rauschning, a Hitler associate, said it best, "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both."

Also, the Catholic Church rescued more Jews from the Nazis than anyone else.

So if Pope didn't officially excommunicated him, big deal. Hitler had self excommunicated long before. The fact that the Catholic Church, in Mussolini's Italy, saved more Jews from Hitler's Germany, than anyone else, speaks volumes!

Besides, you're forgetting...

"When Hitler attacked the Jews I was not a Jew, therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the Catholics, I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists, I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned. Then, Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church and there was nobody left to be concerned." -- Martin Niemoller (1892-1984) in Congressional Record; 14 October 1968, p. 31636

 

Not sure what your first sentence means. You say that AIDS has nothing to with the plague, and then you talk about the plague. Please rephrase it.

The plague could not be hindered by condoms or anything else that at the time was available and/or banned by the pope to the best of my knowledge. And if it did, I'd probably be for that too.

I looked at another post of your and googled a little, I found some report saying that some 10% of Europeans are immune to the plague and by extension HIV. If this is a misunderstanding, then ignore this. Anyway, 10% immunity is not enough to stop HIV. And 10% of Europeans being immune is not an argument for not stopping Africans from dying.

Teaching abstinence is not working. If it was, AIDS would not be a problem. Condoms will not solve the problem in one sweep, but it will save some. To me, even saving some is a good thing.

 

What I was saying is it only seems to hit Africa harder, because they didn't have the plague there.

For those that have no idea what we're talking about:

Biologists link HIV immunity in Europeans to Middle Age plagues

Biologists at the University of Liverpool in the UK have published new research suggesting that the reason why ten per cent of Europeans are immune to HIV infection is because of the plagues that swept the continent in ancient times.

Scientists have known for some time that these individuals carry a genetic mutation (of the gene known as CCR5) that prevents the HIV virus from entering their immune system. What has puzzled them is the fact that HIV has emerged only recently, and thus cannot have played a role in raising the frequency of the mutation to the high levels found in some parts of Europe today.

New research by Christopher Duncan and Susan Scott, however, attributes the high prevalence of the mutation to the fact that it also offers protection from another deadly viral disease that ravaged Europe in historic times.

According to Professor Duncan: 'The fact that the [...] mutation is restricted to Europe suggests that the plagues of the Middle Ages played a big part in raising the frequency of the mutation. These plagues were also confined to Europe, persisted for more than 300 years, and had a 100 per cent case mortality.'

REF: http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=194711&sectioncode=26

 

Very few have a problem with letting Christians be Christians until they seek to force their religious views on other by trying to get the state to pass laws on the basis of religious belief.

Do you like it when folks mandate what you can and can not do on the basis of their religious beliefs ?

Do you think imposing a form of Sharia law on the rest of society is a right that Christians should have ?

 

I do not know that it does speak volumes. The Church was playing both sides of the fence. When they realized that the allies were going to win the war, or that there was a chance that the allies would win the war it was the politically expedient thing to do.

On the other side of the coin the Church was fully cooperative and some of the Clergy even aided in the Genocide committed against Orthadox and Jewish Serbs. The church also helped some of the collaborators in this genocide escape after the war.

Some of the clergy was found guilty in the war crimes tribunals after the war.

Of course there were numerous Catholic individuals and clergy that helped the Jews.

It is tough to make a case however that the leaders of the institution as a whole had any motives other than political.

The high Church leaders were acting on the basis of what they thought was best for the Church. There were times when they helped the Jews, but there were also times when they either turned a blind eye or were complicit in Genocide.

 

If Santa Cluas isn't real, then why do people talk about him?

No one is denying Christians any rights what so ever to speak of. Many Christians on the other hand, with to limit other's rights for religious reasons.

 

Aghm Hitler did not like Barvarian Catholics and plied his Prussian Protestants off against them. Now that would be a fail.

 

A reminder to the atheists, the usual trolls of atheism, that are so quick to point out how little respected Christians are ...

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/edgell/home/Strib Atheist Faith and Values.html

It turns out its actually atheists who are. It might have something to do with, as we see above, the constant fault finding and need to be extremely rude while calling anyone who disagrees with the behavior a bigot?

Of course, when they don't like someone based solely on their faith, its the height of intellectualism. When someone doesn't like them, its got nothing to do with their behavior and everything to do with persecution.

Yep, that is atheism.

 

Oh, if only Christians let me let Christians be Christians.

But alas.

 

Uhm, okay... Did that have anything to do with the topic?

For this topic, I don't really care if AIDS only affects Inuits, can be cured with moonstone or makes you grow dragon wings; as long as it is painfully killing millions of people each year, I don't think banning one of the few things that can counteract its spread is a good thing. And even if you think that a ban on condoms will stop the spread of AIDS in one place, I don't see how immunity rates in Europe changes that.

 

Generalization.

 

I like how we're rude but they're the ones constantly telling us that we're evil and that we're going to burn in hell forever.