If Voter IDs are Racist, Everything Requiring IDs should be Considered Racist

For those living in complete insanity, photo IDs may not, in fact, help...

 

Damn the courts they are allowing blacks and poor blacks at that to vote first they took poll taxes away and then phony literacy tests, then even send in Federal forces to stop us from physically blocking them from going to the polls and now even our voter ID laws design to stop those blacks from voting are being taken away.

True we do not have a voting fraud problems but we do have a blacks voting and college kids voting for that matter problem that why we do not allowed college IDs to be used in voting.

 

None of this applies to anything I said on this thread as far as I can tell.

Get it together!

 

No, that's not really the case.

Not every employer is working to be their own mini INS inspection site.

 

So just making sure your employee is who they say they are is acting like a mini INS inspection site? So the employer should just issue payroll checks, withhold taxes, benefits, etc. without even ensuring the identity of the person they are hiring?

And you didn't address the fact of where would the employee cash his checks without any ID. I guess you think any store or bank just cashes any check you hand to them no matter who it's written to?

Come on dems, face it, this whole argument is so stupid. Many states offer FREE ID's and you're still finding reasons to claim it's racist or political.

 

You forget that we're talking about CHANGING the ID requirements from what they have been.

People have been doing fine with existing ID. Banks have been opening accounts and accept deposits for a whole lot of years now.


There are NO free IDs in ANY state. It may be true that a government site doesn't charge money for the ID, but that isn't the only cost - as I pointed out already.

Plus, cost isn't the only reason that changing requirements results in fewer voters.

 

Question, Why would Identification at the voting station be wrong? As described in the original post, Identification of a person is required for numerous purposes and an Identification card can be obtained for free. BTW Poll taxes and literacy tests were instituted by Democrats. As described voting fraud has continued.The DNC used the primary voter fraud to elevate Hillary to Democratic Party Presidential Candidate. While ACORN employees were caught and prosecuted for voter fraud numerous times. Remember what Stalin said, It's not the people's votes, by those who count the votes.

 

Bull Crap!! Then why can't people that vote show identification at the voting place? The use of Identification is universal in America today....

 

In your and mine middle class world ID is universal but not for the bottom rungs of society.

The whole idea of voting ID laws are not to prevent false voters but to stop the poor black population and young from voting just as poll taxes used to be.

Hell some of the state lawmakers who had pass such laws had stated as must.

 

No, ID is most definitely NOT universal in America today. ID is a state issue. Voting is administered state by state. I don't know where you got the idea that the states coordinate on this stuff.

NOBODY in my state shows ID when they vote, because there are no polling places here - all voting is done by mail. I get a ballot that is authorized for me. I sign that ballot, and that is compared to my registration database signature.


Besides, NC changed their ID requirements, invalidating the ID used previously by many voters. So, that's two ID standards just for North Carolina!

 

You're starting to cave!!

We use ID, for example. My ID is my signature - the ONLY ID I can use for voting. No other ID is good enough.

So, you backed off to saying that "the use of identification is universal" - but, that wasn't the issue AT ALL!!

 

A large segment of Americans have always tried to restrict voting to just its own segment. It's been that way since 1620. People in Third World countries have fewer problems voting than a lot of Americans. Maybe in a thousand years we will have our first free and fair election in America.

http://blackhistory.harpweek.com/7Illustrations/Reconstruction/OneVoteLess.htm

 

That is a bald faced lie.

 

Like that can't be forged right?

 

I was not referring to voter ID when I wrote that the use of Identification was universal today. As described in the original post Doctors offices, check cashing, boarding planes, using Hotels/motels, banking, entering municipal buildings, Federal buildings, picking up prescriptions, I can go on for another six lines but rather than that, I believe it's a ploy by the Progressive Socialist Left to solely exclude voting. By doing so felons, illegal aliens and those that want to vote more than once have the opportunity to do so.

 

That doesn't work for me, because every voter in my entire state (and in OR, too) has their own private voting place.

Mine is my home office, and officials aren't invited.

My state is interested in having citizens have as equal and easy a shot at voting as possible.

 

Well, both you and I may not have to worry about Voter ID laws this election or any other US election hereafter. Obama lackey DHS Director Jeh Johnson wants control the election.

"POLICE STATE END-RUN: DHS Wants Control of U.S. Elections"
http://canadafreepress.com/article/p...u.s.-elections
Now DHS head and Obama appointee Jeh Johnson, is nudging towards the idea of the domestic military force taking over the election process. Johnson claims that US elections are part of the country’s vital infrastructure and therefore it must be under the control of an already bloated federal agency.

 

Someone would have to steal MY ballot and then forge my signature to that specific ballot.

Plus, I know when my ballot should arrive, so I can DQ my ballot and get a replacement long before the election deadline.

Plus, if the criminal mailed it in with my forged signature, that's use of the federal mail for fraud.

I can also check on-line to see if/when my ballot was counted and the counting process will notify me if my signature doesn't compare so I can come in and fix that or declare it to be fraud.

I'll have to tell you, I like our system. The crime and other nonsense that goes on at polling stations is seriously disgusting and highly oriented to putting a thumb on the scale - "poll watchers", misallocated equipment making some places fast while others take long times, machines that give no paper trail and are easily hacked, changing locations of polling sites, mass closings of sites (such as this year in Arizona in Hispanic areas) leaving many hours long lines, unprofessional polling station staff that don't know the law (and thus refuse provisional ballots), etc., etc.

Back in the bad old days we had a poll worker show up with a large number of ballots in the back seat of her car!!! The gubernatorial contest was incredibly tight, and the court decision probably determined who would be our governor.

Polling places cost the state money, too.

WA and OR have no polling places at all. We use paper ballots, marked by filling in bubbles, so there are no internet security solutions to design. Every state should follow suit and get rid of their polling places in order to save money, make voting less tainted, and make it far easier for citizens.

Also, every state already has vote by mail for service members, absentees, shut-ins, etc. - TWO different ways to vote. Why?

 

The subject is voting.

North Carolina tried to change their ID requirements in order to disenfranchise voters whom those in power don't like. They targeted a population that is getting along fine without the new form of ID.

That is the issue. So, what you are saying about people already needing this NEW ID obviously doesn't apply.

What's up with you? The SC and lower courts ruled.

Voters already have to be in the voter registration database.

 

What is my bald face lie that there is zero proof that there is any significant in person voting fraud or that tens of thousands or more valid voters are not being allow to vote for lack of 'proper' ID in those states that have such laws, or that the ones harm by far the most are poor blacks or younger voters or............??????

As far as some lawmakers being honest concerning the reason for such laws being passed see below.

So in any case please be kind enough to tell me what the hell I am lying about.

 

They'd be violating federal law?

Oh (*)(*)(*)(*), no way they'd try it then, right? Cause people don't break federal laws all the time or anything.

Tax fraud is also a federal violation yet every year the IRS sends 200 tax returns to the same residences over and over again lol

Yeah, the law will stop them.

 

Small difference: Buying beer and cigarettes is not a constitutional right.

We know -- know -- that the NC voter law was targeted at blacks with, as the court said, surgical precision. How do we know that? Because they sought out specific information about the habits of black voters, and every single provision of the law disadvantages black voters. Another dead giveaway: so much of the law would do nothing to address what they said they were so concerned about -- preventing voter fraud, even if voter fraud existed.

As the law was being crafted, Republican lawmakers requested extensive and specific information from the Board of Elections pinpointing the habits of black voters. They discovered that black voters often participate in early voting, so they curtailed early voting. (How does that prevent voter fraud?) They took away pre-registration for 17 year olds. (How does that prevent voter fraud?) They took away counties' ability to extend hours on election day in case of long lines. (How does that prevent voter fraud?) Guilford and Lenoir Counties tried to slash the number of polling places in black areas. (How does that prevent voter fraud?) Wake County, ordered to restore early voting, tried to restrict it to one site with limited parking. (How does that prevent voter fraud?)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...rth-carolina-voter-id-law-20160902-story.html

Even the ID piece of the law addresses a problem which is non-existent. In NC, from 2000-2012, out of 40 million votes cast, there were exactly TWO cases of voter impersonation, which is what voter ID is supposed to stop.

Here's an idea for the GOP: You do know, don't you, that your efforts are doomed to failure. Minorities are an ever-growing part of the American picture, and it won't be long before they outpace even your most strenuous efforts to suppress their votes. If you want to survive, maybe it's time to stop demonizing them, take a deep breath and accept that we're not going back to the 1950s, and think about what you could be doing to understand and address their concerns.

 

It seems some of these 'minorities' don't even understand how to acquire an ID card, not a good indication of things to come. If lack of easily available Identification suppresses any votes than it seems those lacking ID would be too foolish to know who the candidates are. I assume the Democrats believe these people vote along party lines anyway.

The encouragement by Democrats to support ignorance among certain groups of people is reflected by their discouragement of ID Laws. This would also go a long way in explaining their opposition to improvements in the failed educational systems.

 

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Voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments. Sill, our Constitution explicitly prohibits discrimination in granting the franchise based on a person's race, sex, or (adult) age via the 15th, 19th, and 26th Amendments. - Source

 

In any case as those who vote by mail tend in most states to vote more for the GOP the GOP does not care to apply precautions against phony ballots.

It the in person votings of the poor and the black and the young that they wish to block as those votes are for the most part not going to go to the GOP.