If Voter IDs are Racist, Everything Requiring IDs should be Considered Racist

We all know that you need a valid photo ID to buy alcohol, to buy tobacco, and to get a PO Box . Since we are talking about the poorest amongst us, what about food stamps and welfare? Do you need a valid form of ID to get those services? What's your authority for that? Lets look at California: Do you need a valid photo ID to get food stamps in California? It turns out that you sure do! Illinois? You have to prove your identity there too! What about public housing? Again, yes, you have to establish identity.
The fact of the matter is that you need valid photo identification to establish your identity in order to qualify for government programs as well. The exact government programs that are designed to help the poor require photo IDs. Of course this makes sense because the administrators of these programs want to eliminate fraud.
Poor people have IDs just like the rest of us, even the poorest of the poor. To maintain these people do not does not withstand scrutiny because otherwise they would not be eligible to qualify for the programs the left surely wants them qualified for and dependent upon. There is no malicious purpose for asking a person to show an ID and prove their identity prior to voting. To prove that their is no malicious intent, states like Georgia have enacted programs for free identification cards.
This entire argument against providing an ID to vote is nonsensical. The government enacts social welfare programs that are intended for the poorest citizens yet they are required to establish identity prior to receiving the benefits. If the poorest people really could not acquire an ID because they did not have the means to, that would mean they would starve on the streets because they could not qualify for government assistance. Obviously this is not the case. Nor is it the case that people cannot provide an ID to vote.

 

No, they will be stopped by the security of the system, as I pointed out.

 

Too many states are working to prevent people from voting or are having other problems administering fair elections.

This is too central to our foundation of democracy and equality to simply ignore.

I doubt the centralization solution is going to fly. It's a big change and there are too many significant problems with it.

 

Exactly. All these systems are working today in North Carolina and other states.

Those wanting to reduce the number of minority voters seem to miss that people who need ID have it today. And, that the changes are obviously in support of reducing the number of voters in specific segments of the population.

 

Please show me a credible study which proves that voter impersonation on Election Day occurs at a statistically significant level. Anywhere.

But here's how we can find out if it's really voter fraud you're worried about, or if it's just the *wrong* people voting. In the name of intellectual honesty, what you should be worried about is mail-in voting. After all, those people don't have to show ID. Right? But I'd bet you're OK with that, and it's pure coincidence that those folks tend to vote Republican, eh?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...ee_ballots_but_republicans_won_t_stop_it.html

 

There will be no "credible study" or one "statistically significant" to change your opinion on this issue.

One thing we do know is that the Democrats do not want voter ID, even to the point of calling it 'racist', while Republicans want voter ID in order to discourage any fraud whatsoever. You feel that breaking the law when it comes to voting in elections is okay, which is typical third world thinking, as long as your side wins.

 

Like the tax fraud people are stopped?

Tell me how our government doesn't have a system in place that raises suspicion when 200 tax returns are sent to the same single family address.

Your problem is you assume government can take care of it, where as, I KNOW government (*)(*)(*)(*)s up everything it touches... based on decades of historical evidence.

 

Based on what evidence...?

Racism I guess?

 

My own assessment is that the United States of America works pretty damn well, thank you.

Tax fraud is VERY different, as tax returns include claims made, requiring analysis of those claims, within an environment where the right wing keeps reducing funds for even just spot checking.

Beyond that, we (and OR) have been using the system I mention for many years now.

And, it works.

 

As far as you know..

Cause if it didn't, big brother would surely tell you.

The fact you think that the US 'works well' explains it all. The same US who 'loses" billions... who build tanks the military says they don't want... who build buildings that are never used.... who destroyed SS...

What part works well exactly? Cause I can't name a whole lot. I can name a thousand example of what works like ass though.

If you believe big brother's got you and the government works well, then you're worse off than I imagined. At this point, there's no convincing you.

 

you do not have a constitutional right to everythign else

but I do think it's stupid to require an id of a gray haired only man for cigarettes or alcohol.. I would remove ID checks altogether from shopping

I think all absentee ballots should need mandatory notary public signatures to validate them... course republicans will fight that every step of the way even though that is where the REAL fraud risk is

when ID is issued for free and never expires, then we can talk about voter id

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Why is 'statistically significant' important to you? Should it be designed to avoid any wrongdoing on election day and that everything is fair and square? If a significant number of people don't have confidence in the process why not alter it so that any dishonesty can, as much as humanly possible, be ruled out? Where is the harm in that?

Yes, mail-in voting is a concern as well and every effort should be taken to maintain the integrity of any election. However it does seem that Democrats are more tolerant towards possible electoral fraud and Republicans more likely against it. Is that your take as well?



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we should make sure everyone has the ability to vote, if anyone would be denied by such a law, then we need to work on ways to make sure that is addressed FIRST, free ID with no expiration dates would help address this

anonymous mail in votes are more of a concern and should be addressed first, we should not require more ID to show up in person

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Yes, it isn't perfect.

But overall, nobody does it as well as we do.

Right now, congres is in the toilet, because there is a movement against negotiation snd compromise - the very purpose of having congress. But, surely we will recognize the problems attributable to that as they build up, and we'll resolve that..

 

So all those poor white voters will be SOL as well. Funny how only poor black people are incapable of obtaining ID. What is so special about poor black people compared to poor white people?


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In fact I don't see Black people complaining as much as Whites because it would suggest they aren't smart enough to obtain I.D. We can see Democrats and their attitude toward electoral laws here.

https://unpoliticallycorrect2016.wo...rats-arrested-andor-convicted-of-voter-fraud/

 

It's not opinion. It's fact. Election-day impersonation voting simply doesn't happen. If you have something which says differently, please proceed.

Discouraging fraud isn't the reason Republicans want voter ID. If it were, they'd be agitating for a ban on mail-in voting.

 

Voter fraud happens and it should be discouraged at every level. Why not? I doubt though that anyone seriously believes that dead people can still vote. http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/05/25/cbs-uncovers-voter-fraud-in-la-n2168330

 

And how exactly would voter ID stop this?

 

This is a pretty absurd non sequitur. We have overwhelming evidence that voter ID laws in the United States that voter ID laws disproportionately disenfranchise African American citizens.

That pretty much makes those laws racist.

It is a felony to try to vote by impersonating a registered voter, in-person, at the polls. It is an stunningly effective deterrent. After all what idiot would try to impersonate another person, and take the very high risk of getting caught, just to cast a vote that statistically will have ZERO impact on a national election?

 

The Democrats know full well that there is electoral fraud going on but they also understand that it helps them win elections. As soon as they begin crying 'racism' you just have to wonder how big the lie is going to be.

 

Sure they can they can get on a bus and ride for a few hours after sending away for and paying for such IDs as a birth certificate and so on.

No problem for a middle class person having all kinds of IDs as a matter of course

 

Yes they can, and imagine how much easier it would be to get a job and rent an apartment or buy a car once they have an ID, because they can do NONE of those without one.

You seriously think the streets are crawling with blacks and Latinos with no ID card? Without ID you can't get a job, a car, a place to live, can't cash a check, can't get a library card without an ID card.

I grew up poor, try your silly argument elsewhere.

 

Where is this?

No, it doesn't. You don't seem to know what racism is?

Where are these teeming hordes of black folks without IDs?