Wow..less qualified? Let me ask you a question do you think when we had white male affirmative-action, where men only could go to Harvard and women and minorities were excluded, did you assume them less qualified?
Well, we know white males and Asians do not need affirmative action to get into schools so your question is senseless. Right now today Harvard is going to place a quota, a limit in other words on how many Asians it will accept no matter how high they score on their applications. They are being sued for racial discrimination over that policy. Do you think Harvard is likely to win that suit? I'd hire only people who met my requirements and if that resulted in a work force that was exclusively white and Asian that would be okay. The problem with affirmative action is two-fold. First people who don't belong in higher education and would normally fail are kept on and graduated nothing and secondly it casts a dark shadow over qualified black applicants who are seen as the questionable products of affirmative action even if it played no part in their success.
White males had affirmative action! They didn’t have to compete with half the population, I needed a higher average than the boys to get into nyc colleges. White males always had affirmative-action and that’s what you don’t seem to understand, it was white male privilege Are you aware also that there is also geographical discrimination? A kid from rural America has a better chance than a nyc kid with similar grades. We need diversification! You should only hire people who are competent but basically you’re saying there aren’t competent blacks...only whites and Asians . Affirmative action casts a shadow because of bigots. As I pointed out when they only accepted white males who didn’t have to compete with more than half the population there was no outrage. It’s called leveling the playing field. You might also learn that affirmative action does not allow an incompetent black student to graduate. They have to meet the exact requirements as everyone else. That’s such an example of unconscious racism
No we didn't have affirmative action for white males, that's racist propaganda and only hurts your argument. The people who are recipients of affirmative action were simply unable to compete for spots in higher ed because they suffer from a culture that does not place a high value on academic achievement. No, I'm not saying I would not hire a qualified black, I would, but that I'd be unable to discern a qualified black from a non-qualified one because of the pernicious shadow affirmative action casts over ever all blacks in higher ed. I would administer the same position pertinent and language/communication skills tests to all prospective hires and I'd only hire those who out-performed on that test regardless of race. I would expect the number of blacks that failed that test would be higher than for Asians and whites because of affirmative action. Right now, today, Harvard is going to place a quota, a limit in other words on how many Asians it will accept no matter how high they score on their applications. They are being sued for racial discrimination over that policy. Do you think Harvard is likely to win that suit?
Of course you had affirmative action, it just didn’t have a name. And use the word racist correctly. It was also sexist. I had to give up my seat to a boy who was less competent.....I had straight As but I couldn’t apply to Stuyvesant school..he didn’t have to compete with more than half the population. Was that fair? White males can still compete but now they have to compete with a lot more people just as Competent What is racist is saying that black families do not place a high value on academic achievement. I taught black kids for more than 25 years And their parents would tell them that their only escape from the ghetto was education. But then that was that reality that they could not afford to go to college. When you don’t have any Hope it’s hard to achieve. I would torture my students with the value of education and I have seen some incredible results
Promoting people because of their race is racism. Denying people a place they have earned thru testing to give that place to another because of race is naked racism. You are practicing racism when you do that. Saying that black culture values academics is false and you know it if you actually have spent 25 years in a classroom. Asians do value academic achievement...notice the difference in actual achievement between these two groups.
That's false. Two wrongs do not make a right. And anyway how are you going to prove that in the case of this one individual he was held back because of "past racist actions"? Such racist actions would have to be aimed at him as an individual and not to some group or class.
if a business held back an employee due to racism, justice says that employee should get the promotion that was denied to him by the racist actions of the company
You would have to prove he was held back due to his race and not because he scored lower on the employment test than the person who got the job.
When white males got promoted and women and blacks couldn’t. Wasn’t that affirmative action?did it bother you? There is a difference. Asians came here by choice., Asians are not discriminated against and you give the example I use in my prejudice workshops. You are defining Asians in a positive light and defining blacks in a negative light....that is unacknowledged racism. When you stereotype people in a positive light, they rise to it. If you told one child she is smart and the other child she is stupid, who do you think might do better? Asians usually can afford to send their children to colleges they are very much like Jewish people
How do you level the playing field?an example is racing. Is it fair to start the person on the outside lane at the same place as the one on the inside lane.? No, they are given a head start and then it evens out, same with jockeys. They have to wear weights if they are lighter than other riders.
I don't care how anyone's ancestors came here. Its simply irrelevant. Do not use this argument its called special pleading and is a logical fallacy. I don't buy the rest of your argument. Whites and Asians did not create the cultural identity that blacks and some Hispanics are raised in. Its those cultural characteristics that are holding these people back. Applying racism to fix racism is senseless and is not doing your favored class any good. Using your logic I could say: Stalin killed my ancestor so to fix that historical injustice we are now going to kill you because your father was a communist even though you are not a communist. Its for your own good. What a world you must want to live in.
You’re ancestors Like mine came here on their own free wills. Your ancestors came here for a better life like the I’mmigrants today But sadly you can’t see that need in others . blacks came in chains and were defined as less than human, were you Russian ancestors slaves? We’re they forcibly segregated? It’s very relevant how one came here and only bigots can disregard that. I M sure you don’t feel being segregated because you are inferior, has no Impact...on the victim or the victimizer. How are we applying racism to fix racism? Are we segregating white people and denying them jobs and college entries? Are we assigning them to inferior schools that lack supplies?no, they just have to share the lie and it kisses you off!
But nothing is happening to blacks that isn't happening to all the rest of us. No one is refusing to hire them. No one is refusing to educate them. No one is mistreating them. No one is segregating them. Do you have any idea what you are talking about? It no long matters how the ancestors of the blacks got here. No one cares about it except race warriors because its not relevant to anything in the real world I don't have any Russian ancestors, it was an example, but since you will not deny it you apparently do believe that since Stalin killed my ancestor to fix that historical injustice we are now going to kill you because your father was a communist even though you are not a communist. That is what your use of reverse racism tells me. And make no mistake affirmative action is reverse racism.
Websters can bite me. Behaviour is ALWAYS optional. When humanity starts making allowances for optionals, while people are still starving to death, we deserve the extinction (and a quite warranted perpetuity in 'hell') we'll get.
I am not anti sematic. Religion has nothing to do with being a coward. People like you who are "conscious objectors". You see yourselves as too good to get your hands dirty and fight a war. However, you have been whining about others who did not jump into the fray to rescue your people. My only question is why should others die for those who will not defend themselves? I do think it is a bit of a jump to try and relate separating children from criminal parents for a few days to Hitler and the Holocaust. However, I have gotten used to inaccuracies and half truths from you.
Of course you have a hard time seeing the parallels...most anti semites do. After all those “whining Jews” shouldn’t have let the holocaust happen,
