Is compulsory military service immoral?

Literally every single definition of defensive war you find will match my definition. You are trying to invent new definitions because you realized you ****ed up when you condemned all soldiers as war criminals.

 

Nearly all did not want to be there and were counting the days until discharge,and they made their feelings clear about that.

 

I'm sure that makes you feel better.

You think lying helps support and defend your indoctrination? No one commits a war crime until they actually do Einstein. Putting on a uniform is not a war crime lol. I believe I posted the Nuremburg Principles for those who really want an education, you should read it sometime, yes, to get edjukated. Trust me on this son.

Sorry brainwashed one but if you're trying to convince me that war and war crimes are somehow justified because they are for you, it's not working. You should have figured that out by now.

This is really a waste of time for me. If and when you have something intelligent to contribute to the discussion, I may respond as I see fit. Until then, I'm not interested. Judging by all your posts so far, that could be never. This particular discussion is about the morality of compulsory military service, it's not about me or you. Get it yet?

 

When I was in the Navy I really didn't want to be there either and counted my days until my enlistment was up as well. But as I look back on it though, it was not nearly as bad as I thought and I realize how proud I was and am that I served. I have known some who were drafted and ended up making it a career. You will always find some who aren't happy about being drafted but I think there are more people who when handed lemons make lemonade.

 

So you say even if a nation is invaded there is no such thing as self defense, if the invaded nation fights back they are also committing a war crime as well. So if someone invades your house you should just sit there and let them do whatever they want to do?

 

Not yet lol.

Yep.

 

You pay taxes. How that tax money is spent depends on the representatives that you and the rest of us voted into office. It would be impossible and chaotic to itemize what you're willing to allow your taxes to pay for.

 

That's really convenient for those "representatives". So then they ASSume the biggest contributors to their campaign and the lobbies that pay the most influence what those taxes should pay for, eh?

 

Ok talking to yourself, I see the problem here.

 

I'll be for compulsory military service if it's universal (both sexes, and all physically able people. Those not physically able will get alternatives that don't involve much physically. No getting out for minor medical issues, etc.), and if the military asks for it. At this point, the military does not want that.

 

This is mind blowing.

Why the hell would ANYONE be for compulsory service? Have you ever been in command? Do you want to have someone assigned to your soldiers' squad or team that doesn't want to be there? Do you know how dangerous that is for everyone else that wants to do their job in combat?

Civilians need to understand that drafting punkass kids that don't want to go to war is dangerous for the whole unit.

 

Put it this way. You draft some guys that don't want to go to war. They are in a firefight alongside your squad. The draftees that don't want to fight, begin to run away in terror. Then, you need to rescue them- changing the entire objective and putting more lives at risk.

Draft is deadly.

 

Army Soldier:


''This is mind blowing.

Why the hell would ANYONE be for compulsory service? Have you ever been in command? Do you want to have someone assigned to your soldiers' squad or team that doesn't want to be there? Do you know how dangerous that is for everyone else that wants to do their job in combat?

Civilians need to understand that drafting punkass kids that don't want to go to war is dangerous for the whole unit.



''Put it this way. You draft some guys that don't want to go to war. They are in a firefight alongside your squad. The draftees that don't want to fight, begin to run away in terror. Then, you need to rescue them- changing the entire objective and putting more lives at risk.

Draft is deadly.''




While I prefer that Soldier refrain form calling conscripts ''punkass'', you cannot dispute the fact that he is correct.


I liken what he wrote to my experience as a youth sports coach: there have been times when parents force their children to play baseball/softball just to get them out of the house during the summer. And as a coach, I am forced by league rules to admit the kids to the club if they can demonstrate some ability to play. All too often, however, these kids do not want to play. As a consequence, rather than chase a ball in the outfield, they grudgingly walk to the ball, and toss it back rather than fire it back into the infield. A run scores, maybe two runs score, when either or both runners could have been stopped. As a result, we lose the game.

At other times, a kid will step up the plate but refuse to swing at a pitch. Another will be thoughtlessly playing and muff a ground ball that should easily have been dug up, tossed to first base, and the batter called out.

I can tell you dozens of incidents in which a kid was forced to play and deliberately ignored the coach's instructions and caused his/her team to needlessly lose the games.

As Army Soldier says, you must have willing soldiers in order to win a war. Too many conscripts will disregard orders or rules and jeopardize the successes of his unit. If too many conscripts are in the same unit with your sons and daughters, your children's lives will be in grave danger.

Is this what you want for them????



Compulsory military service is self defeating and greatly jeopardizes everyone's safety. Come to your senses, folks. If you are smart, you will demand that the selective serve system be dissolved on a permanent basis. Your safety and that of your children will be enhanced if you do.

 

I'll work on my language

 

I am definitely against any sort of "compulsory" military service.

Why provide even more Easy Prey for sadistic drill sergeants to kill during basic training?

 

Those who disobey during combat learn pretty quick that it's not cool, a couple of times having their butts kicked by their own squad is training for following orders. If they can't take 2 years of service then the military will find jobs for them that they can't screw up, digging latrines, peeling potatoes or simply pushing papers for the command. There are many jobs slackers can do while serving their 2 years. If they don't conform then they can have a dishonorable discharge that will follow them the rest of their lives.

 

Yeah, so what they do is to dig out the sh!t from the latrines and put it into the officer's soup bowls. Big morale boost for sure.

 

As long as half of the voters (women) can vote for warmongerers, but not be subject to conscription themselves, then hell yes it's immoral.

 

I have never heard of any of your predictions ever happening before while we had the draft.

 

"Punkass kids that don't want to go to war"? So you're saying a person who is barely out of childhood is a coward for not wanting to murder people or be murdered or otherwise damaged for the rest of his/her life? Is that what you're saying Mr. hero "soldier" who is terrified of answering simple questions? I'm not sure what's more dangerous, the MFing criminals in charge who insist on a compulsory draft or people with your mentality. For me, they are equally dangerous.

I can't imagine how that's going to work out.

 

In peacetime, I can't see sending draftees to police action type deployments. During a major war where America is directly threatened, absolutely.

A couple of years protecting our border would be a good thing for most young adults, but I still don't know about forced service.

 

my dad was the cook while in the Navy and Merchant Marines - he shared lots of stories that my brother & I enjoyed when we were little kids

watch the movie "Unbroken" or better yet, read the book - also watch the movie "USS Indianapolis - Men of Courage"

lots of gruesome stuff took place in the kitchens so you better have a strong stomach if you're gonna read or see any of it

 

Of course it is moral. Why wouldn't it Be! I am a firm believer I mandatory military service. I would accept a nationwide form of community service in lieu of military service but I would make an application for such a trade off really tough.

 

Anecdotes and movies, is that all you have?

 

You said, "criminals in charge who insist on a compulsory draft"
Who are these criminals and where is the draft they insist on?