Is it okay to shout down speakers on campus?

One is unlikely to hear that kind of thing at a sanctioned, college campus event anymore. At least I think so.

It's more like someone debating slavery reparations, or speaking in behalf of Israeli settlements, or a judge holding that a law banning abortions after 15 weeks is not unconstitutional, or that men can't have babies, who is likely to be hounded off campus. Or how about a judge who refuses to invalidate a state statute prohibiting biological males from competing in girls' high school sports? Or showering nude in their locker room over their objections? Is he so transphobic as to warrant the heckler's veto when he comes to campus only to discuss the commerce clause?

Or how about a guest speaker who supports border controls? Or opposes military intervention in Africa to depose a genocidal dictator? Is that racist? Many would think so.

What about JK Rowling, again?

The more effective approach is shunning. Making the speaker a martyr? Bad idea.

 

Well let’s say a university invites a guest to give a speech entitled “Why I Support Giving Arms to Ukraine” and another guest to give a speech entitled “Why I Don’t Support Giving Arms to Ukraine”.

Should we listen politely to both speeches, or should half the crowd shout down one speaker and the other half of the crowd shout down the other speaker? … and neither speech can be given over the noise.

Or should the university prohibit shouting down the speakers and enforce their rules of conduct?

Remember, these speakers are invited guests.

 

When you say it like that, that shunning is more effective, then yeah I’m okay with doing that too. But again, it depends on the crowd.

 

We have not defined 'speaker'. If there was a formal invitation and acceptance, and students or the public made it a point to carve out some time, maybe get a babysitter, maybe purchase a ticket, get dressed, transport themselves to the venue, and sit down , they probably did so to listen to the ideas of the invited speaker. Its those people who acted based on that accepted invitation, and its those people I am ultimately concerned with. If the problem is with the process by which the speaker was selected and invited, protesters should take that up with the administration, not the speaker and they sure should not intefere with an audience hearing the ideas they chose to seek out, in the forum promised.

 

Rude vs the 1st amendment.

Hmmmm.....

JK, are you serious with this crap?

Rude?

LMF'nAO!!

 

Of course you do. Where does it say you don't?

 

This is America dude. You have the freedom of speech. There ain't no volume control mentioned in the first amendment, and shouting ain't illegal.

 

If it is a speaker who is in an auditorium or whatever where one has the option whether to attend, then the best thing to do is just not show up. If it is some Bible thumper out on the quad/commons area damning people to hell and call women whores and such, then yes, shouting them down is fine (or beating them down for all I really care since a reaction is what they want)

 

Your attitude is anti-freedom of speech, dude, whether you realize it or not.

Not only that, dude, but did it ever occur to you that if you listen to an opposing point of view, it sharpens your own point of view? And so it follows that the more you shout down an opposing point of view, the dumber you become.

 

Young Conservatives?

 

I am sure if everyone in the audience was carrying a ar-15, everyone would be safer, that is what some on the right says anyways

 

Or here is a thought.. .. they can simply get up and leave.

 

Not that that has a damn thing to do with the thread. But if emotionally driven and easily triggered liberals were the ones carrying the guns I don't think I would attend.

Many liberals tend to allow emotions to dictate their actions..... It's not a good idea for such a person to be armed

 

maybe they are preparing to be a republican in Congress

 

thank you, I agree, if everyone was armed with an AR-15, I would not feel safer either

regardless if they were emotionally driven and easily triggered LIBERALS or CONSERVATIVES

and I also agree... It's not a good idea for such a person to be armed

 

Something you wouldn't understand. It is an old custom to have good manners. Oddly, this situation has nothing to do with the first amendment. You need to read up. The Bill of Rights applies only to government, not to rude children. This is just rudeness. Sorry. Incidentally, if you want a good example of rudeness just reread your post above.

 

You support bad manners? Apparently so.

 

Leaving, shunning or being disrespectfully loud are all acceptable IMO

 

Like I’ve said, if the subject matter is really racist, violent or something close to it then I’m okay with that.

 

woke flakes often claim anyone who questions affirmative action, reparations, socialist economic advocacy or gun control to be racist or inciting violence.

 

the woke left often understands its arguments suck logically so they don't want the alternative position being heard. I have never heard of a case where a leftwing advocate was prevented from speaking on a college campus. Conservatives being prevented from doing so has been going on since colleges started hiring draft dodgers during the vietnam war

 

Those who respect the concept of free speech, allow speech to be heard. To "shout it down" and erase from happening is indicative of the lefts totaltarian values.

This same left would put people in jail or prosecute for so called "hate speech" or speech that offends them but they are unable because of our constitution. The left does what it can with the tools at hand.

 

What woke flakes are you talking about?

 

the ones who try to deny say a federal judge being heard at Stanford Law school. This board is full of cases where those who question woke wet dreams such as affirmative action and reparations, are called "racist"

 

Nope. Both the speaker and the audience have the same freedom. The government cannot interfere with our speech. The first amendment doesn't apply in the situation like you guys want it to. The correct authority to appeal to in the scenario under discussion here would be the proprietor of the venue.