Is the 9/11 Scam Coming Undone?

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  1. ararmer1919

    ararmer1919 Banned

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    Lol. You are so ignorant it would be amusing if not for how sad it is.

    You know nothing about the military. Your opinion (which is unimportant) is so common among civilians. "Oh if you serve or have served in the military then you are just a brain washed machine programmed to believe everything your government tells you like a hivemind." I'm sure you believe that everyone who has ever served is a White, Christian, male, NRA, Pro life, pro war, anti gay, Republican, right?Yeah that's pretty stupid. The honest truth is the military is as diverse and opinionated as the civilian sector. We have people from all walks of life who believe all manner of things. Joining the military doesn't magically make you abandon all your beliefs in replace of some "group think" (seriously how stupid is that concept?) in my section alone out of 35 people we had 9 guys who believe 9/11 was an inside job, 3 guys who believe the moon landing was fake, 12 guys who believe we invaded Iraq for oil, at least half who believed in the illuminati, and 1 guy who even believed in alien reptilian Jew overloaded. But according to you it's physically impossible for any of them to have had such beliefs. I mean we're all wome giant hive mind? right? WRONG. What you and all civilians misunderstand of misinterpret, usually intentionally, is that while we are in the military we, for the most part, keep our political views to our selves. Politics is something we talk about amongst ourselves when we're out in the Field or on our 16th hour of firewatch or waiting for formation and the conversations about beer, sex, guns and killing have gotten boring. But only amongst your close comrades and not out in public or on social media. As professional military personnel we keep our political beliefs to ourselves. For instance. I despise Obama. Hate him. Absolutely hate him. But whilst I was active duty it would be unprofessional and unbecoming of me to take to Facebook and post anti Obama comments, even though i personally hate him. Does this magically make me a robot who now believes in the your "group think" and now I follow Obama every word and worship him? (*)(*)(*)(*) no. I still hated the (*)(*)(*)(*)er. And now that I am out I do post (*)(*)(*)(*) Obama memes on Facebook.


    So you see. Your opinion is as ignorant and baseless as you yourself are.
     
  2. Blues63

    Blues63 New Member Past Donor

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    Groundhog day #113

    The real scam is the organisation 'Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth'

    This organisation is responsible for taking $500,000 per annum in donations. In their mission statement they claim to fund and disseminate scientific research. Then why haven't they resolved the thermite issue with an independent study that would cost a mere $2,000?

    A. The scam would be exposed.

    Why won't this organisation interview the first responders whose claims they toss around out of context and misrepresent?

    A. The scam would be exposed

    Why doesn't the organisation 'prove' that NIST committed fraud as they repeatedly claim?

    A. The scam will be exposed.

    Why doesn't the organisation prove any of its claims with peer reviewed studies that the scientific community can take seriously?

    A. The scam would be exposed.

    The scam is based upon the circulation of lies, memes, misrepresentations, innuendo and libel. There is no genuine interest in finding the truth from these scammers, and the uneducated internet slacktavists flock to the memes because they hate 'da gubmit'.
     
  3. Blues63

    Blues63 New Member Past Donor

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    The molten steel meme is unresolved.

    The FDNY doesn't agree with your incredulity.

    A simple misreporting of the evacuation order.
     
  4. Blues63

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    Blues63 New Member Past Donor

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    Yes it has. The collapse took 18 seconds, free fall was noted for 2.25 seconds at the 12.5 second mark in the collapse sequence.

    Yes it was. That meme is entirely incorrect.

    No, it is just that it is insignificant.

    A 'section' fell at free fall for 2.25 seconds at the 12.5 second mark. This in no way indicates a controlled demolition.

    [​IMG]
     
  6. truth and justice

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    What is the upward force on an object in freefall?

    Point out where the draft version of the collapse of WTC 7 mentioned any part of the collapse being in free fall.
    http://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=909254
    Where have I mentioned any conclusions? This "section" you refer to was 8 floors of the building falling at free fall for 2.25 seconds and was only decelerated when that section collapsed onto the rubble on the ground. Supporting structure equivalent to the height of 8 floors no longer there and unexplained in the NIST report.
     
  7. Blues63

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    Nil.

    LOLOL

    You don't have to.

    I hope you realise that the interior collapsed before the curtain wall and the collapse sequence was over 18 seconds? You can then tell me why 2.25 seconds of free fall at the 12.5 second mark is significant, for no-one has bee cable to demonstrate that successfully.
     
  8. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member

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    I'd bet my life savings that more Obama voters buy the "National Enquirer" than do Romney voters, and that rag specializes in conspiracies.
     
  9. Blues63

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    The following gif is an animated representation of the model produced by the NIST:

    [​IMG]

    It doesn't show any sign of explosive deployment. How would you account for the discrepancy?
     
  10. Bob0627

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    It's a cartoon designed for children and the feeble minded, any fool can see from the WTC7 collapse videos that it doesn't represent the WTC7 collapse.
     
  11. Blues63

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    You have no scientific rebuttal? Just idle libel, and silly claims? You obviously do not understand the gif, much like the 4D representations that so baffled you previously.Why don't you investigate that which you don't understand, instead of making unfounded accusations and irrational claims all the time?
     
  12. cerberus

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    [​IMG] I'm one of 'em! (well sort of!!)

    Bloody idiots.
     
  13. ChristopherABrown

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    I'm a welder that also worked in civil Engineering. I very nearly had my BATF explosives license also.

    If heated steel is assumed to be the cause of the near free fall event, you would be able to show massive amounts of steel radically bent at ground zero.

    But you cannot. Almost all of the steel is quite straight.

    [​IMG]

    A portion of a steel framed skyscraper could feasibly be heated to cause a toppling, but we did not see a toppling skyscraper. We saw skyscrapers fall vertically into their foot prints.
     
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    The collapse started at the impact points-that's the steel that suffered malformation. If you access the FEMA report indices, you will find plenty of examples of the steel in question.

    Furthermore, once the upper mass was on the move, there was no stopping it.

    In addition, what the hell is 'near free fall'? That is a meaningless term.
     
  15. ChristopherABrown

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    To save you some time, I'll provide the only pic that shows steel bent having some of the characteristics of being heated and structurally failing.

    By the thicknesses we can tell this assembly if from near the top of a tower. That main square column that the I-beams intersected into was the steel exoskeleton at the inner wall of floors outside to the core.

    But it is quite easy to see that the steel didn't suffer from high heat. Structural failure from high heat typically causes smooth bending rather than crimping of flanges in I-beams with many sharp angular bends,

    [​IMG]

    But what it does reveal in the bottom right of the photo is the web of an I-beam that shows a billowing outwards over sections as if the opposite side of the beam was subjected to immense pressures uniformly. Such pressures could easily tear the entire assembly loose from other structure and throw the assembly a long distance.

    That was something recorded visually in several instances.

    - - - Updated - - -

    So the rest of the steel that was undamaged just fell apart?

    It is a use of language similar to someone saying, you are nearly over the speed limit". I'm sure you are familiar with such uses of words.

    Meaning it radically bent all the steel framework below to the point of failure over and over to the ground.

    Show me pictures of that steel framework.
     
  16. Blues63

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    I like your first pic and I saved it if you don't mind. It clearly puts the 'fell into their own footprint' meme to bed.

    Yes, once the collapse was set in train, and owing to the construction techniques. See the NIST report for clarification:

    http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/wtc_finalreports.cfm

    Yes, but in real terms it means nothing, so I don't understand why people repeat it all the time. 'At near free fall'-what is that? Just a meme without meaning.

    See the FEMA report indices as stated:

    http://www.fema.gov/media-library/assets/documents/3544

    See the appendices B,C & D. Here you will see the effects of the eutectic reaction upon the steel.

    The following gif shows the collapse initiation, and one can actually see the steel failing:

    [​IMG]
     
  17. truth and justice

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    Seriously,? You have posted a cartoon that some how you think makes your argument valid! It doesn't even show the full collapse lol
     
  18. truth and justice

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    At least you understand that. Now what was holding up those 8 floors that fell at free fall rate? Did those supporting structures fall at a rate greater than freefall? If not, what happened to the resistance from those supporting structures during the collapse?
    So you could not answer the question!
    To make it easier here is a short video:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkp-4sm5Ypc


    It appears that you do not understand the significance of an object falling at free fall rate. It is irrelevant how long a collapse sequence is as it all depends on your start point. A just as valid argument would be that the collapse started on the day that the building was built.
     
  19. Bob0627

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    Funny you said that, I said something similar in another post.
     
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    I think the 911 scam is coming apart. Hardly a month goes by that some friend or another tells me they have serious doubts about the veracity of the story.

    Most of the people who still believe the nonsensical story, it seems to me, inhabit the internet.

    It is an impossible story.
     
  21. ChristopherABrown

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    Hmm, your reply is not worth a detailed response because you failed to post an image of the steel resulting from a toppling steel structure which everyone knows did not happen.

    The image of all of the steel lined up with the footprint proves that.

    Pretending that a fall taking 20 seconds from standing to the ground is not "near free fall", when free fall is 9 seconds, while having no evidence of heat damaged steel or steel framing destroyed from catostrophic collapse means your argument fails COMPLETELY. In fact, you do not have one. You've presented an inadequate facsimile.
     
  22. ChristopherABrown

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    What blue doesn't know, and you may not either, is that FEMA misrepresented the core structural design to NIST. That's why it took 3 years to get an analysis of what had happened.

    The WTC report was the first to misrepresent the core structure with this impossible configuration.
    [​IMG]
    But this is actually what is seen for a core on 9/11.

    [​IMG]

    So it's a big LOL when blue refers me to NIST.

    Here is a safety report with a brief description of the true core structure from November 2001. See page 5. The core was a rectangular, cast concrete tube that was heavily steel reinforced to resist sway and torsion.

    http://algoxy.com/psych/images3/domel-www.ncsea.down.pdf
     
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    Your concrete core fantasy is just that. A fantasy. What you claim to have existed is a physical impossibility. There was no room for your 12' thick at the base, tapering to 2' thick at the top, concrete core walls, within the core. You have been shown this multiple times.
     
  24. ChristopherABrown

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    Aha! The internet stalking government agent (10 years now?) who has no evidence. Where is your partner Stan?

    Seems I remember him coming out with something that indicates he was Aussie.

    http://www.salon.com/2010/01/15/sunstein_2/

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

    http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/snowden_cyber_offensive2_nbc_document.pdf

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE95K0ZV20130621?irpc=932
    For decades, the NSA and GCHQ have worked as close partners, sharing intelligence under an arrangement known as the UKUSA agreement. They also collaborate with eavesdropping agencies in Canada, Australia and New Zealand under an arrangement known as the "Five Eyes" alliance.


    This page has some of stans BS and gams from 2009 at a disinfo site that poses as an expose center.

    http://algoxy.com/psych/whatis9-11disinfo-bfn.com.html
     
  25. Gamolon

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    :roflol:

    Want me to present all of my "no evidence"?
     

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