Is this Human?

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Is this human

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    No, there is none of this "magic" you seem to believe in...it's science and facts...until birth a fetus is attached to, and part of, the woman it's in....and none of your silly posts can prove otherwise :)

    ....I was showing you how wrong you were to think that a ZEF is not part of a woman and only just floats around inside her for 9 months for no reason.


    WHY do you think that another person has a right to compromise your immune system?
     
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    The right to life and even though this may disappoint you, WOMEN have that right.


    THE RIGHT TO LIFE DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO DO ANYTHING YOU WANT TO OTHERS.
     
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    Ritter said:
    OK and?

    That was a question....not an objection (look those words up
     
  4. Bluesguy

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    When have I EVER said a woman does not have a right to life? Which is our highest right that is inherent to our being?
     
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    I know full well the mechanics no need for you to repeat them. I asked about what magic occurs that suddenly the baby becomes a human being that you claim it was not before.
     
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    There are no rights that are inherent.

    What do you mean?
     
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    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

    Equal and Inalienable Rights

    ...When the Founders wrote in the Declaration of Independence that “all men are created equal,” they were not ignoring the obvious differences that make people individuals—differences in appearance, personality, aptitude, skills, and character. All men are equal in the sense that, since we are all human, we are born with certain inherent, natural, and unalienable rights. Those rights include “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” This essential equality means that no one is born with a natural right to rule over others without their consent, and that governments are obligated to apply the law equally to everyone....
    https://billofrightsinstitute.org/essays/equal-and-inalienable-rights


    What is the most important right we as human beings have?
     
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    I'm terribly conflicted. Yes, it's human, but more than that it represents a potential treasure of scientific knowledge. The human brain is one of the less understood parts of the body and it can't be studied fully while it's alive because of medical ethics issues.

    But, as what has been brought up earlier in this thread topic, it must be hell to be a conscious brain without a body, and it's basically just a brain in a jar. It doesn't matter that the number of neural connections is smaller than in a full-sized brain.

    I wish they would create a virtual matrix just for these non-body brain cells just so they get some stimulus.

    I also just thought up that they might evolve into a new single-celled organism if they were left alive to form micro-structures as organs. Like so:

    A single-celled organism with a small human-like ‘eye’ | Lapsus (lapsuspsych.com)
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    The right to life and even though this may disappoint you, WOMEN have that right.


    THE RIGHT TO LIFE DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO DO ANYTHING YOU WANT TO OTHERS.


    When you insist she has no right to an abortion....and when you insist the fetus has MORE rights than anyone else..




    Gee, if you read the posts you quote you could see I answered your question BUT AS USUAL you could not address the response:

    THE RIGHT TO LIFE DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO DO ANYTHING YOU WANT TO OTHERS.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    No, there is none of this "magic" you seem to believe in...it's science and facts...until birth a fetus is attached to, and part of, the woman it's in....and none of your silly posts can prove otherwise :)

    ....I was showing you how wrong you were to think that a ZEF is not part of a woman and only just floats around inside her for 9 months for no reason.


    WHY do you think that another person has a right to compromise your immune system?

    Why do you keep bringing up "magic" ? I thought you were all sciency and liked facts.....now you insist there is some "magic" going on.....how very strange...


    Is it magic ;) ;) that you can never answer inconvenient questions ? You seem to think others should answer YOUR questions but you can't seem to step and answer any like the following:

    WHY do you think that another person has a right to compromise your immune system?
     
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    Because YOU believe something magical happens that turns the baby into a human being at birth. Utter nonsense including your claim that the human being in the womb is part of the mother, they are entirely separate beings kept separate by the womb and placneta else the mothers body, her immune system, would kill it. Biology 101.
     
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    You claimed I said the mother has no right to life, either quote me saying it or withdraw the claim.




    No you did not answer my question, what is the highest inherent right as human beings do we have?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    No, there is none of this "magic" you seem to believe in...it's science and facts...until birth a fetus is attached to, and part of, the woman it's in....and none of your silly posts can prove otherwise :)

    ....I was showing you how wrong you were to think that a ZEF is not part of a woman and only just floats around inside her for 9 months for no reason.


    WHY do you think that another person has a right to compromise your immune system?



    Why do you keep bringing up "magic" ? I thought you were all sciency and liked facts.....now you insist there is some "magic" going on.....how very strange...


    Is it magic ;) ;) that you can never answer inconvenient questions ? You seem to think others should answer YOUR questions but you can't seem to step and answer any like the following:

    WHY do you think that another person has a right to compromise your immune system?

    :) YOU HAD to ignore that question...LOLOLOL


    .
    A direct quote from the post of mine you quoted:


    No, there is none of this "magic" you seem to believe in.

    So now it's up to you to PROVE that I ever said otherwise and, of course, you can't :)

    You're flailing helplessly :)


    No "biology" except for the imaginary kind you use...
     
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    OK, you tell me what it is.....


    ...and why it gives you the right to do anything you want to anyone ...
     
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    Never read the Declaration of Independence. I have not doubt you know what right I am talking about, it you do not believe it is the highest inherent right we have then tell me which one is.


    Quote me claiming I have a right to do anything I want to anyone else withdraw the claim.

    You claimed I said the mother has no right to life, either quote me saying it or withdraw the claim.
     
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    The placenta is entwined with the umbilical cord blood vessels of the baby, it provides a barrier between the mother and the baby. The baby is never a part of the mother, they are entirely separated and individual. If not some magic that happens as the baby passes their the birth canal that suddenly makes it a human being as you claim happens then what? What force causes magical or otherwise then? It certainly isn't some biological phenomenon. What changes it from something else into a human being and what was the something else?
     
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    I asked you : ""OK, you tell me what it is....."""


    WHY couldn't you tell me what it is?

    You act like you know and yet you can't say what it is???

    Don't you know what it is??
    Don't you find that quite strange???
     
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    No, I did not....must be some of that "magic" that you believe in going on ;) ;) LOL

    Here is what I posted:FoxHastings said:
    The right to life and even though this may disappoint you, WOMEN have that right."


    WHERE did I say you said "the mother has no right to life"

    ??????????
     
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    Then a ZEF should be able to be taken out of the woman at any stage and set on a shelf to grow and develop ...according to you
     
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    No not according to me I have not made such a statement.

    You said

    When have I ever said when do not have a right to life, quote me saying any such thing.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Then a ZEF should be able to be taken out of the woman at any stage and set on a shelf to grow and develop ...according to you


    Ya, you do when you insist the ZEF is not attached to the woman in any way.





    Yes, I said , """The right to life and even though this may disappoint you, WOMEN have that right.""

    See, the words "deny" and "DISAPOINT " are TWO DIFFERENT words...really! Look them up!!!



    Sorry, that sentence is not understandable..
     
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    Is not a PART of the woman, is separate from the woman, the placenta lays against the womb the babies blood vessels intermingle and through osmosis oxygen and nutrients pass through the walls that SEPARATE them as I have cited to you. Do you not know the purpose of those structures is to keep the woman and the baby separate else her immune system would attack and kill the baby?
     
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    Then it should be able to be taken out and set on a shelf to grow on it's own....and it can't.


    Uh guggada...when a woman becomes pregnant HER immune system is compromised....the ZEF attacks HER....and therefore she has every right to kill it even IF it was a "person" :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Yes, I said , """The right to life and even though this may disappoint you, WOMEN have that right.""

    See, the words "deny" and "DISAPOINT " are TWO DIFFERENT words...really! Look them up!!!
     
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    I asked you : ""OK, you tell me what it is....."""


    WHY couldn't you tell me what it is?

    You act like you know and yet you can't say what it is???

    Don't you know what it is??
    Don't you find that quite strange???
     

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