Is this the answer to atmospheric carbon?

Discussion in 'Science' started by DennisTate, Oct 15, 2018.

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Is recycling carbon out of the atmosphere the answer?

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  2. No.... only a carbon tax will do!

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  3. No

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  4. I am not sure.... but I think I may watch that video again?!

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Well, I don't believe anyone who isn't involved in the science in a serious way can make assessments like that.

    There are many reasons why heat is distributed the way it is. Your graphic shows a few of them. Note that it is specific to a month range. Also, note that the Atlantic near where you live includes a hot spot out in the ocean. That came from something other than a local event in the ocean.

    Also, note that the Antarctic shows heating, and there is no tundra there.

    Also, warming from before any significant tundra melting doesn't show a pattern that is decidedly different.


    I think what we need to learn is that it's important to look at a variety of sources of science that depend on the accuracy of their science - in the US, that includes NOAA, NASA, various universities, etc. It also includes similar international organizations.

    We're told the melting of the tundra is certainly a well known and studied disaster in the making, but I think we have to be careful about it when we start looking at charts like this and begin drawing our own conclusions.
     
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    Well, I looked at all 4 pages of this thread and I see appalling ignorance. Not one of you mentioned the SUN which is now in a cooling phase. So how can the Earth be warming when the Sun is cooling? In fact the data shows that it may be a 400 year cooling spell.
    We may have a "little ice age".
    https://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/John-Casey-climate-change-fraud/2014/12/17/id/613663/

    Another thing you apparently do not know is that CO2 ALWAYS FOLLOWS warming. Not the other way around as the liars have told you. They just want your money which they will then give to poor countries.
     
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    The change in solar radiation is tiny by comparison to changes on earth that cause heat to stay here rather than be radiated back to space.

    CO2 rise trailed temperature rise in preindustrial times - warming would rev up co2 production.

    In post industrial times, temperature is being driven by co2 - as industry emits co2, more solar heat is trapped.

    https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/11362

    This article points out that there isn't any know natural factor that will reverse or stop our current warming.
     
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    WillReadmore,
    Have you noticed that last winter was a record setting one? Have you noticed the early snow in the West? Have you noticed the cold that is coming? Have you noticed this this is a world wide thing? Do you know what would happen if we had another Carrington event? You do know don't you that Earth's Magnetosphere has weakened considerably & that our poles may shift?

    There is no Warming - it is all a fraud.
    Do some independent research. You do believe in looking at both sides of a story, don't you?
     
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    Are you suggesting that science doesn't know about these features?

    How did you find out about them if it wasn't from scientists who are examining these features? Do you think a "Carrington event"would be identified as such without there being investigation by scientists?

    This idea that individuals in the US can look around them and decide that the entire world is warming or cooling is total nonsense. It takes real, actual measurement - at least until we notice the massive melting of glaciers, etc.

    The warmest years measured in recorded history of earth are 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018. 2019 is on course for beating those records.

    I am fully aware that some parts of the US are predicted to be especially cold this winter. However, that is not a significant portion of earth. And, it is brought to you by scientists - not by some other source that scientists might have somehow missed.

    Winter hear is summer in Australia, where they are having problems with asphalt roads melting.
     
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    Try Chlorophyll.
    Water and Sun Light.
    Watch that carbon disappear.




    Of course sometimes that can go haywire like the
    Carboniferous Time
    leaving all that fossil fuel, and oxygen contents so high it could
    have ended with something like "fireball" Earth. Apollo 1, someone forgot.
     
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    So the data collected showing Earth's average temperature increasing is a 'fraud'?
    The data collected showing direct correlation between warming and CO2 levels is a 'fraud'?
    And you think there is zero possibility mankind has any involvement?

    It's actually a fraud that ostriches stick their head in the sand...but not so with many humans...
     
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    GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE is about Earth...it is not about West Central Florida!

    How about some reading?
    https://www.weather.gov/tbw/2018climate
     
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    Imo we should consider that a colossally large fossil fuel infrastructure has been built up and operating for over 100 years. This was paid for by the consumer value this infrastructure delivered

    So.... consider for a moment the scale of carbon removal infrastructure that would need to be built up.... and FUNDED somehow

    If you do not want to pay a carbon tax.... how will. We pay for this idea?

    It seems to me that it would be less expensive to provide incentives for people to use less fossil fuel. That incentive structure is basically a carbon tax
     
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    Btw it is also a fraud that ice is melting.... although no one had yet proposed why sea levels continue to rise

    Basically climate has always changed and the system is so complicated that we cannot understand sort out the mechanisms for these changed.... except for one factor we ARE absolutely CERTAIN about: we 100% certain that mankind has no impact on anything
     
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    So, you found a chemical engineer who makes monumental mistakes about climatology - that's no surprise. i'll bet we could find scientists in climatology who would make mistakes about his chemical engineering projects, too.

    First of all, Earth's tilt does not change the amount of heat coming to Earth from the sun. And, the sun's output is not increasing, though there are known cycles. So, suggesting that the reason for warming is the sun makes no sense at all. The issue isn't that the amount of heat is increasing - it's that Earth is being more efficient in retaining heat, allowing less to disperse into the absolute cold of space. It's a change in the balance.

    I'd also point out that in the main, heating of the oceans comes from direct sunlight. Contact with air isn't the major factor. And, it isn't necessary to heat the full volume of the oceans, as the part that affects climate is the surface. So, any heating from air contact is heating the relatively thin layer that is most important.

    AND, let's remember that we learn this stuff from science. Scientists know this stuff. That is why we know it. So, suggesting that we're being lied to is a claim of an essentially perfect world wide conspiracy of all scientists in the numerous related fields that come together to form climatology - atmospheric chemistry, physics, measurement of surface temperature, oceanography, measurements from satellites, etc., etc.

    Any conspiracy would have to nearly perfectly coordinate the findints of all these sources - in a field (science) carefully designed to reject false ideas and reward those who prove ideas to be false.

    The idea that such a world wide conspiracy could possibly exist is absolute nonsense. There is absolutely ZERO evidence of that. There are no control structures that cross the spectrums of the sciences or the countries where climatology is being studied.. There ARE scientists who are making surprising new findings that require further study. And, there is evidence of warming that is obvious even to those who aren't scientists.
     
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    What I am truly amazed by is that ocean levels have actually raised so little over this past century. Merely four to eight inches and I think that the following statistics explains why:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...tarctica-save-our-coastal-communities.532931/

    How much longer will central Antarctica save our coastal communities?

    NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses
     
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    @DennisTate

    More Lord created chlorophyll
    less atmospheric CO2.



    What don't YOU get?

    It Is Not The CO2 creations but rather,
    alternative to "nature" to absorb, dispose of it!
     
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    WillReadmore,
    Have you ever considered that the data you refer to has been altered to manipulate you and the others? It won't be the first time you & others have been manipulated.
    Ever read the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion?
    Yes they are real. They have been much maligned & denied, but you can readily see their progress in your every day life.
    https://educate-yourself.org/cn/protocolssusmmary06dec14.shtml
    scroll down till it starts:
    0 Place our agents and helpers everywhere
    1 Take control of the media and use it in propaganda for our plans
    2 Start fights between different races, classes and religions
    3 Use bribery, threats and blackmail to get our way

    Ever heard of Tavistock Institute?
    This is where they study & learn to manipulate the public.
    https://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwotavistockbestkeptsecret.shtml

    There is almost zero chance that man has contributed to any climate change. Why do you suppose green houses have CO2 generators?
    There is only .04% of the atmosphere that is CO2. Less would turn the whole Earth into a desert.
     
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    OldManOnFire,
    I was just giving an example, from personal experience.
    I already mentioned that the whole Earth is having record breaking cold & snow.
     
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    There is no evidence of this. There are far too many independent groups that are focusing on individual parts of the puzzle. There is no chance that it could all be coordinated.
    [/QUOTE]
    Ever read the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion?
    Yes they are real. They have been much maligned & denied, but you can readily see their progress in your every day life.
    https://educate-yourself.org/cn/protocolssusmmary06dec14.shtml
    scroll down till it starts:
    0 Place our agents and helpers everywhere
    1 Take control of the media and use it in propaganda for our plans
    2 Start fights between different races, classes and religions
    3 Use bribery, threats and blackmail to get our way

    Ever heard of Tavistock Institute?
    This is where they study & learn to manipulate the public.
    https://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwotavistockbestkeptsecret.shtml
    [/QUOTE]
    There certainly have been studies of how to fool the masses. The catch is that there is no evience that this is going on in climate science. Science is designed to be resilient against this kind of assault. Politics is not. There is a huge difference.
    [/QUOTE]
    There is almost zero chance that man has contributed to any climate change. Why do you suppose green houses have CO2 generators?
    [/QUOTE]
    Scientists stufdying this all over the world believe you are wrong about that.

    Green houses add CO2, control temperature, water, humidity, growth medium chemistry, etc. in order to create optimum conditions within economic constraints.

    That has nothing to do with the questions of how and why earth is warming.
    [/QUOTE]
    There is only .04% of the atmosphere that is CO2. Less would turn the whole Earth into a desert.[/QUOTE]
    Obviously, it would be bad if there were no CO2. But, that doesn't prove anything about the chanes in climate we're experiencing today, as there is an unusually high amount of carbon in our atmosphere..
     
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    Did you watch the video?
    How about looking at what Dr. John Casey NASA scientist has to say about it? Will you do that? Youtube has their notice of global warming on all info that would
    detract from it. I guess they are being paid by the powers that be to do so.
     
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    The powers that be???

    That would have to be a world wide conspiracy of scientists and politicians.

    There is NO possibility of that. Scientists don't do the bidding of politicians. Science is designed to eliminate false ideas. That's why administrations have to block science on environmental impact, health, etc. Subversion doesn't work. The fame available in science goes to those like Einstein, Darwin, Gallileo, and others who opposed what was the standard belief of their times.

    If you want to argue for a world wide conspiracy, you have some serious work to do.
     
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    Did you watch the video?
    Time will tell if we are to be going into an ice age won't it?
    We are already having an early snow.
    I expect to lose my papaya trees this winter as Florida will likely get a freeze. I hate that - means we have to drain all the stand pipes & let the water run in the hoses.
    What do you plan to do when it gets so hot that the grid goes down?
     
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    I've done better than that. I've researched his position.

    I don't tend to watch videos, because it is a low bandwidth form of communication and allows production value to obscure actual science.

    Suggesting that cold in Florida means the world is cooling is unrelated to science.

    I'm sure you like Florida, but Florida is not the whole world.
     
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    No, Florida is not the whole world, I was just giving you an example. Florida typically has temps in the Summer at 90-95. It has been that way since forever.
    The rest of the world is currently having very untypical weather. You just have to look for it. In past times North Africa was Rome's bread basket.

    You need to learn what "actual science" is and is not politically motivated. If there is a political motive behind it you might want to research it further. Especially look at the other side of the debate.

    I thought youtube videos had an adjustment where you could make them high def.
    .
     
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    You aren't proposing anything that is remotely scientific.

    I don't care what youtube stuff looks like. I care whether it includes legitimate science if the topic is science. Obviously, youtube has no filter to keep cranks out - we're expected to be careful.

    There isn't a scientific debate about whether humans are causing the warming of Earth that is clearly evident.
     
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    John Casey has a BS in Physics and a MA in Management. :rolleyes: He is not a climate expert. That's why he sells books instead of publishing scientific papers. ;)

    Ditch the do-it-yourself science and read what actual experts say.
     
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