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Is Trump guilty of suborning perjury?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Sandy Shanks, Jan 18, 2019.

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  1. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Banned

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    So you, and others like you, are responsible for Trump. I stand corrected.

    Well, you got your reward, the Trump Presidency. For someone who doesn't like Trump's ego and behavior, you sure defend him a lot. That is weird.

    Believable?
     
    Sandy Shanks, Jan 19, 2019
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    Sandy Shanks Banned

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    No, you believe Trump and the Trump White House. :roflol:
     
    Sandy Shanks, Jan 19, 2019
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  3. Sandy Shanks

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    You and all my other Trump friends avoided this post like the plaque. BTW, inaccurate means not accurate. It doesn't mean false.

    We know from Trump's defense attorney, Rudy Giuliani, that negotiations over the Moscow Trump Tower continued on into November 2016, not January 2016. Trump claimed the negotiations ended in January 2016.

    "According to the answer that he gave, it would have covered all the way up to November of 2016," Giuliani said on ABC's "This Week," apparently referring to Trump's written answers to special counsel Robert Mueller regarding the deal. This means that during the entire election campaign, Trump had a stake in the Russian government.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday...-trump-tower-moscow-discussions-took-place-up

    This is why Trump would want Cohen to lie.

    And we know this from The Hill article from December. "Cohen last month pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about plans to build a Trump property in Moscow, plans he initially said were scrapped in January 2016, but actually continued well into the presidential campaign according to his confession." As into November 2016, the entire campaign.

    Are we to believe Cohen lied on his own? Trump would not want voters to know he was negotiating a hotel in Moscow while running for President. We are to believe he said nothing about this to his personal lawyer who was about to testify before Congress? That is a bit of a stretch, isn't it?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday...-trump-tower-moscow-discussions-took-place-up

    Paul Farhi in an Op/Ed in the the Washington Post said this morning, "The fact that the normally buttoned-up special counsel’s office felt compelled to issue a statement suggests that the story’s conclusions were too baldly stated and too consequential to stay unchallenged. In effect, Mueller’s office seemed to be saying that BuzzFeed went too far and got some things wrong, though it did not say how or what."

    We know that Mueller does not leak, and this came from "two federal law enforcement officials involved in an investigation of the matter." That has to carry some validity. Some observers think Mueller is feeling deeply proprietary about his evidence and does not want premature disclosure of interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization, internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents.

    That would explain why Mueller would not explain how or what BussFeed got wrong.

    It should be noted that Mueller did not deny the accusation that Trump asked Cohen to lie. He said, "BuzzFeed’s description of specific statements to the special counsel’s office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohen’s congressional testimony are not accurate."

    In other words, Mueller was solely concerned about his evidence.
     
    Sandy Shanks, Jan 19, 2019
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  4. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    You(we) don’t know what Mueller has.
     
    dagosa, Jan 19, 2019
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    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    Don’t you get tired of name calling us Trump haters. How about, Trump loathers.
     
    dagosa, Jan 19, 2019
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In other words, you have no idea about why Mueller said what he did. It is just pure speculation.
     
    kriman, Jan 19, 2019
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    Sorry, either Buzzfeed is wrong or Mueller is lying. There aren't enough straws in the world to make that story either correct or accurate. the words are synonyms. To be inaccurate is to be incorrect.

    MOre synonyms for inaccurate:
    in·ac·cu·rate
    /inˈakyərət/
    adjective
    adjective: inaccurate
    not accurate.
    "false or inaccurate descriptions of goods"
    synonyms: inexact, imprecise, incorrect, wrong, erroneous, faulty, imperfect, flawed, defective, unsound, unreliable; More
    out, adrift, wide of the mark, off target;
    fallacious, false, mistaken, untrue, not true, not right;
    falsified, distorted, garbled;
    informaloff beam, full of holes
    "the maps were notoriously inaccurate"
    antonyms: accurate
     
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  8. Hoosier8

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    Not the same thing but then those suffering severe TDS cannot discern the difference.
     
    Hoosier8, Jan 20, 2019
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What are you unwilling to do besides see any of the great things happening like historic low minority unemployment?
     
    Hoosier8, Jan 20, 2019
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    Especially when the crime of collusion between Trump and Putin is really about penetration. It’s pretty obvious to any with a working and functional brain, that Trump has been, is and will continue to sell out to the Russians. Proof ? Watch telivison without blinders on. It’s a slow moving coup in front of our faces.
     
    dagosa, Jan 20, 2019
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    LOL, thanks for proving my point!
     
    Hoosier8, Jan 20, 2019
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    That’s laughable. The employment numbers were set into motion under OBama who actually had the highest growth months. The average gains after OBama been the same. NOTHING has improved with Trump other then bragging and the huge deficits created in one year of an abismal tax cut for the rich plan. No big infrastructure spending....that’s gone.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckj...inuation-from-obamas-presidency/#369e97d51af3
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So funny. Kinda like it was all Bush's fault for 8 years of Obama.

    Fastest wage growth under Trump got you down?
     
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    If you enjoy watching Trump make out with Putin while dissing our allies, you’re a strange dude. Just a list of his activities should bring about an impeachment. It will......then you can officially whine about mushroom dick ‘s orange make up.
     
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    You being a non math person would not understand what job growth rate is . It has remained constant since being established from OBama. WAGE GROWTH rate has NOT increased under Trump. Please go back to school.
    It’s not faster. Can you read ? Nope.
     
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    dagosa, Jan 20, 2019
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    And your point is....Trump is selling out to Russia before our eyes. Right ! Then we agree.
     
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  18. Hoosier8

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    My my, too much porn or are you obsessed with homosexuality?
     
    Hoosier8, Jan 20, 2019
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    LOL, I have forgotten more math then you ever learned. Wage growth grew the fastest under Trump since 2009. That is just the news and doesn't require math to understand. Unemployment is historically low under Trump. Again that is just the news. You should get out more.
     
    Hoosier8, Jan 20, 2019
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    Sucks to be stuck in TDS. Fun to watch though.
     
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    dagosa, Jan 20, 2019
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    Right, people are getting lower wage jobs under Trump.
     
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    Obama less than 2% mean growth in all 8 years.

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    Trump 2.9% mean growth in 2 years.
     
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    For the left, being employed is a bad thing.
     
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