ISIS wife from Alabama will not be admitted to the US, Pompeo says

Over at Townhall:

According to Swift's petition to establish Muthana's citizenship, as well as that of her son, the U.S. government sent a letter to her in care of her parents' address on Jan. 15, 2016 informing Muthana she was not a citizen. January 2016 -- that's before Trump was elected.

It was the Obama administration that determined Muthana was not a citizen.According to Swift's brief, the United Nations did not notify the U.S. government about the father's diplomatic status until months after the daughter was born. And if there is one thing President Obama was not known for, it was working to end birthright citizenship.

If the State Department had ISIS bride's dad listed as a diplomat after she was born, he had diplomatic status, therefore, she is not a citizen of the US, she's Yemeni.

 

Pompeo Has a Message For ‘ISIS Bride’ Suing to Get Back Into US, “She’s a Non-Citizen Terrorist… She’s Not Coming Back”

 

Strange ... so it was a faked US passport she had on her name, what she burned and for what she is accused for?

 

The court says that we have to let those folks into the country. So how can we be at war with them?

 

Good question. Maybe the liberals have the answer?? Ask one of them whydoncha?

 

She had a passport. Tough to get a passport without being a citizen.

She is entitled to due process (i.e. a court hearing) to determine whether the government's position (that she is not a citizen) is correct.

I would have thought that - since she had a passport at one time - the onus is on the government to prove that she is not a citizen. To me, due process would be to allow her back into the country to fight that court battle. If she loses, she can be deported.

 

See, I gave you an opportunity to expand your knowledge because you would have never looked it up if I hadn't pointed you in that direction. So which group is she a member of, Bangladesh, Philippines, West Africa, or the Greater Sahara group? Is the one in Syria on the list? It is a big technicality.

 

It's only a technicality for you since your post has been proven false.

 

So tell us which group she is a member of.

 

ISIS

 

Doesn't it just speak volumes when now that IS is on the run, the ex-pat jihadists are scuttling back to Momma as fast as their little legs will carry them? And the liberals welcome them back with open arms?? Suckers!

 

She has to be a member of a particular group on the list otherwise the State Department would have made it generic.

 

She didn't need to be a member of any group, she provided material aid and support to a terrorist organization. There are a couple listed for the mid east, however I'd be willing to listen if you could find an ISIS group that is not listed.

 

Cerberus,
Who of these "evil liberals" wants to take this woman back with open arms like the lost daughter? Nobody!
If she comes back, she went into jail ... and the best thing to do is to throw the key away!

It is about the question of principle, whether someone with citizenship, this can be denied because of belonging to terrorist scum and may!
If so ... why is this done differently than in the past with John Walker Lindh, who came back to the United States and got 20 years in prison.

You're British, as far as I know ... what about the captured IS fighters with British nationality? I am now speaking not only of those who where born in Britain as children of former immigrants, e.g. from Pakistan and who have British citizenship, but also from those like Mr. Smith and Mr. Miller, who converted to Islam and then joined the IS!
Sure ... the best way is to let the scum in the Syrian desert rot and I do not really contradict you ... but how is the legal situation in the UK about?

 

I don't understand that rationale; this traitor joined forces with those who intend to kill us, so why should our taxes be used to keep her and her kind - and her baby?? - in jail for the rest of their lives?

 

Sure Cerberus ... I think you and I agree that this terrorist scum ... no matter of what citizenship ... should rot in the Syrian and Iraqi desert.
But this "pub thinking" is against reality ...

Because there is the international international law, which is also part of the US legislation and has full recognition in the US ... and by the way also at you in the UK and at me in Germany, even we Germans have here a more complicated situation because of the Nazi crimes. If you take this international law, you can not make a person who has the citizenship of their own country by expatriation to a stateless person - point! There's nothing to discuss ... but there are exceptions:
People who have a dual citizenship ... or ... if another country is willing to take the person (and by the way, even against the will of the person and for whatever reason), then it is allowed, because then no statelessness is given!
However, you and I also know that the US has all too often given a crap on international law in its history when it interferes with their interests ... even if they hypocritically demand total adherence by all others.

You also know the demand and threat of Trump that we Europeans ... espiecally named by him were British, French and German ... have to take back our citizens who are captured IS fighters and members, or they will be released in Syria and Iraq by him!
Question: What do you say to this demand and threat of Trump in general ... and especially with regard to the case here where the US itself does not do it by their own of what they demand from us?

 

Sorry mate but you're conflating two issues - the application of US law, and whether US law should apply to the sworn enemies of the US, and it's confusing me.

 

International law is signed by the US to be valid and so the US agreed by treaty that heir local law has to apply to international law.... and the same does the UK and my country and many others too.
This woman legally has US citizenship and the US can only deprive this woman of her nationality under international law if she does not become stateless! That is the clear legal situation that the US must adhere to, if it does not want to totally degenerate into a "banana republic"!

The other question is, if the US has to take her back with her is also answered: Yes! Whether she ends up in prison for life or not is up to the US Justice!

More important, though, is the question I asked in the end of my post:
Why should you Brits and we Germans take back the imprisoned IS fighters in Syria and Iraq who have British or German citizenship ... as Trump demands from us ... if he refuses to do so with this woman = one of his US citizens?

 

The US, the UK and Germany are autonomous countries and none has the right to 'demand' anything of the others. Trump can suggest but he can't demand.

 

This isn't about ISIS. It isn't about what crimes she may have committed.

It is only about whether an American citizen can have their citizenship stripped from them without due process.

 

Whats strange about Obama denying her the Right to come back to the US? What is strange about a Daesh Bride being considered to having ties with a Terrorist?

 

Maybe that's why it's strange, because suddenly a big story is made out of it for the woman ... maybe just because she's already a born evil Muslima? ... but with the captured American Al Qaeda fighter Lindh then and today it was no big story to take him back and jail him?

Perhaps also because of the question that has not yet been answered, what does this outrageous piece of **** in the White House allow to demand from the Europeans the repossession of such persons with German, British, French citizenship ... and thus to threaten us, just letting these people free from imprisonment if we refuse!!! ... but with this American woman he refuse himself?

 

Then again maybe just that she is a supporter of Daesh. You know.....the Obvious. Well we certainly have dealt with many others, including Americans that are traitors.

What the hell are you talking about? If a German, Brit, Or French citizen is supporting terrorism and has made any overtures to the US. Then yeah.....we want them. As we will deal with them since the Euros don't know how to handle those types. Give them to us and we will make examples out of them.

 

Not a faked one, it was issued in error.

 

Apparently the State Department already had such a review in 2016, which is why they invalidated her passport. The case is over, only the crying over spilt terrorist milk remains.