Islam and Islamophobia

Sorry,

It seems Stan and Willreadmore are the offenders here.
I really don't expect an answer from them.

 

He says that Islam contains violent and supremacist elements.

And, so does the USA.

Without reading everything Spencer has written (lest I puke), the bottom line is that he is a promoter of irrational religious hatred.

 

So' I'll repeat it again.

What does Spencer say that is wrong.

Islam does contain violent and supremacist elements

The bottom line is that Islam promotes hatred, spencer is just point it out.

What does Spencer say that is wrong.​

 

The problem is that he GROSSLY overstates the power and prevalence of terrorism related to Islam in any way.

And, he ignores that the reasons for violence in Iraq, in Syria, in Israel, etc., is that there are very serious political problems in those places - ongoing crimes committed by those in political power.

Whenever those kinds of crimes exist, there WILL be violence - that's a feature of being human.

Pretending that is specific to a religion is not just wrong, but it is incredibly damaging to our own goals. It's a GROSS misunderstanding of what is happening, and as a result it causes actions by the USA that are destined to be counterproductive.

 

He does not.
You're just making that up.

Give me an example.

and don't change the subject.

That's excuse number 3, and admitting you are wrong.

 

Robert Spencer claims that ISIS is Islamic is one false claim as a start. And regarding your question about Robert Spencer, did you ever bother to read some of his books?

 

Spartan wars against their neighbors and enemies are a historical event that I see no problem to use as an example that I think it will help in my thread.

 

LOLOL

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is an Islamic scholar.
He knows more about Islam than most Muslims,
He follows the teachings and deeds of Muhammed.

There are many sects of Islam, all killing each other because the other is Un-Islamic.

This is how they justify fighting and killing each other,
Claiming the other is not Muslim, or "Bad Muslim".

Do you know enough about Islam to where we can discuss this,
Or did someone just tell you that.

So you are wrong there.
Try another.

 

In a thread about Islam? You do realize Sparta and Islam never coexisted. Sparta dissolved 700 years before Islam ever existed.

 

So is Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi a DIA agent?

"Which brings us back to the 2012 DIA report and Gen. Flynn’s conflict with the Obama administration’s “narrative.” The report was quite explicit about the responsibility of the US and its regional allies – the Saudis, the Qataris, the Gulf emirates – for aiding and abetting the Syrian “opposition,” which led to the creation of ISIS. In an interview with al-Jazeera, Flynn offered his unblinking assessment:

Al-Jazeera: You are basically saying that even in government at the time you knew these groups were around, you saw this analysis, and you were arguing against it, but who wasn’t listening?

Flynn: I think the administration.

Al-Jazeera: So the administration turned a blind eye to your analysis?

Flynn: I don’t know that they turned a blind eye, I think it was a decision. I think it was a willful decision."
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/07/10/general-michael-flynn/

 

These groups were around for 1200 years.
The names change, the people change.
They are the ones who follow the religion as is written.
They want to conquer to be in charge.

The leader gets 20% of the booty, Muhammeds rules


we have been sticking our nose where it does not belong.

Both sides are terrorist.
Islam is terrorist.
Muhammed was a terrorist.

We are siding with one terrorist side.
Does not matter which one,
They are both terrorist.

 

ISIS- Islamic State of Iraq and Syria....But it has nothing to do with Islam lol

 

The same as the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda & Sudan isn't Christian movement...lol

 

How do you figure it's the same.
The lords resistance is full of illiterate murderers, Killing for booty.
Doing nothing according to Christianity

ISIS is run by a renowned Muslim scholar,
Their actions come straight from the Qur'an and Sunnah.
Everything they do is in accordance with Islam.

 

Of course, I do. But I bother with what Spartan did the same as some people bother with what some Muslims or Christian did a few hundreds of years ago. It's a history, and people quote history in threads.

 

The peoples republic of North Korea? The democratic republic of congo?

 

ISIS too is full of illiterate murderers, Killing for booty and working for their own interest not Islam or Muslims. And who are the renowned Muslims scholars that run ISIS?

 

George W Bush had a Christian adviser, and he declares the war on Iraq is a new Crusade. Ronald Reagan believes that his generation will witness the Armageddon. Senator John McCain meets in Northern Aleppo with opposition leaders including Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi. Don't tell me he was blinded about the Baghdadi rule in Syria and his leadership to ISIS?

 

Good job

 

They want to conquer to be in charge is the American way. The list when or where the Western powers applied this principle can be a very long list. However, we could start with killing the native population of the new world, America and Latin America. That conquer was based on Christian principles to save the souls of these savages.

 

There is nothing wrong with Islamophobia as there is nothing wrong with plague-phobia, thug-phobia, tornado-phobia, earthquake-phobia, war-phobia... People fear nasty and dangerous things.

 

Are you saying you never heard of Abū Bakr al-Baghdadi.
why are you in this conversation.

He gets up and speaks once in a while, but now there is speculation he was wounded.

 

Except a Phobia is an unwarranted fear.

Islam is a very real fear.

 

They only tried that to the ones they didn't kill, mostly with children.

N. America was mostly Protestant, while
S. America was Catholic.

 

Disease killed the native population before the Pilgrims landed. American foreign policy would actually make far more sense if it was aimed at conquest.
Attempting to find rational explanations for what the USG does will be futile.