Islam and Islamophobia

The crusades were a specific set of wars between 1095 and 1291. You could call whatever you want a crusade but the crusades were specific.

 

I agree, if you are only using the OT as a reference, which is what anti religion people tend to do. But I do not think that is the case when it comes to JC and His teachings. Indeed, the religious authority of his time wanted to kill him, for his heresies.

And it should be self evident that the first organized church, the RCC and even what came later was not a religion grounded in what christ taught, but appears to be closer to what happened in islam, thanks to mohammed, the general, the slayer of men.

And yet, the atheists, the haters of religion, refuse to discern the difference between christ and mohammed. And yet the difference was tremendous, for they were 180 apart. Some of them, ignorantly, want to equate JC to mohammed, as if there was no difference philosophically. ha ha.

It is reasonable to say that if christianity had been based upon what JC taught, instead of christianity being something that would allow it to be the state religion of the roman empire, we would have never seen such an evil history of the RCC and christianity in general. That it does have an evil history, perhaps says that satan infiltrated it at its very founding and it took 2000 years for it to recognize what had happened.

Christ taught that we are to love one another, as we love our own inflated egos. Well, you do not love others and wage war over ideas, or kill others who do not believe in your own perception of God. And you do not judge others, condemning them, when we are clearly told not to do this. Live and let live, and leave the judgement up to God, for that is his job, not your, or mine. But christianity did not follow what their founder tried to teach them. Whereas, much of islam did follow what their founder taught, and all too well! Just too bad it was hatred, killing, and violence instead of love.

 

You wish to compare a God to a man? Then compare God the father to Mohammed

 

What? Europe stopped it once before.

Because Europe is ran by idiots.

they do. It may not be specifically government sanctioned but they aren't doing anything about it. We constantly hear about grooming gangs.

but who is worse for society, somebody that organizesorgan funds grooming gangs or somebody that brings them to your attention?

There are certain things you should hate. Barbarians who wish to crush you under Islam is one of them. You not hating them is not going to make them spare you. It's just history repeating because people are brainwashed by this PC nonsense. Hatred isn't always bad.

 

That's a generalization.
I'm an atheist, but I don't hate religion, some people need it to live.
I know Muhammed and Jesus were 180 degrees apart.

The only way you can compare the two, is that they were the main characters in a religion.
However both had different philosophies.

 

Well one was a God and one was a man.....so there's that. Lol

 

Sure, but a verifiable generalization which has some relevance. You must not read many of these threads on religion, atheism, etc? For you can generalize just by using those posts as being relevant. I didn't just make it up. ha ha.

But glad we agree on the difference in philosophies of these two men. There are vast differences, and one might get the idea, if uneducated, that the evils of christianity are attributed to christ and his teachings, which of course they are not. Indeed, the history of the church looks as if they never read anything that christ taught. ha ha. But of course, if one wanted christianity to be the state religion of the roman empire, some change in philosophy is in order. ha ha. Otherwise, christianity would have been in great contention with the roman empire, instead of being able to mesh with it in an operative manner.

 

We apparently have similar views. Much of the crime laid at the doorsteps of the Christians was not from the religion, but from the people in charge.
where in Islam, we can go straight to the Islamic text as the culprit.

 

You must also hate Judaism

 

There is some decent analogous comparison between the god of the OT and mohammed. As well as being able to compare the ancient jews with modern moslems.

There is little comparison of God the Father of Christ, and the God of the OT and ancient Jews. Indeed, they seem to be different in character. Of course, it could be that the ancient jews didn't have it right, in regards to the nature and character of God? And one thing that JC did was to set it straight, which is what appears to be what happened, which created quite the rift between him and the religious authority of his time.

You see this in many different places when reading the teachings of JC. Clearly, the jews had it wrong, and JC tried to correct it. Got him murdered.

Indeed, when you listen to the God of Christ, and the god of mohammed, they are two different beings, and incoherent with one another.

 

Jesus and God the father are the same God. Chiristians believe everything that happened in the old testament. They just also believe jesus came and said we are going to do things differently from now on. But that does not excuse all the murder God the father did

 

Well we have some different points to insert.
Constantine adapted Christianity as the religion of the state. Around 360 AD.
Jesus was given his divinity, and the Roman Catholic church was formed.
Then gradually this church overran Europe.
It didn't conquer like Islam did, but still did conquer.

 

I agree. You cannot create the RCC by using the teachings and principles that christ taught. But indeed one can create Islam, by the book, by following what mohammed said. No one should be surprised that islam has the history that it has, but it should surprise most people that christianity arose from the teachings of JC. For the church was incoherent with JC for 2000 years!

So, if one heeded JC, and gave relevance to this analogy of the good tree and the bad tree, and how one determines which is good and which one is bad, the deeds of christianity is evidence it was not a good tree, but a bad, even an evil tree. And if evil, then not of christ, but of the great deceiver, satan. To convince people that what is of satan is of christ is not that hard to do, for they pulled it off, easily. Just as you can convince other people that islam is what god wants, for it appeals to the violent and murderous aspect that is human nature. While trying to put a halo over it. ha ha.

And yet, the good tree, bad tree teaching was totally ignored, as JC told man just how to, with common sense, discern the difference, so as not to be fooled. Christians just ignored it, which is understandable back when the priests told you what the bible said and then interpreted it for you. But once we could read the NT for ourselves, and use our brains, the church should have been rejected as being a confidence game, run by men who wanted power, authority and prestige, as you see with politicians.

 

The Jews invented the God, it is theirs, they have the patient on it.

The Christians stole the God, added more Gods to it, changed the rules,,
and turned on the Jews.

The Muslims stole the God from the Christians, eliminated the Christian God's,
Instilled their prophet, changed the rules again, and turned on the Christians and Jews.

Now it seems God is a wishy washy schizophrenic, who simply cannot make up his mind.
Or they are different Gods.

 

I agree. You cannot create the RCC by using the teachings and principles that christ taught. But indeed one can create Islam, by the book, by following what mohammed said. No one should be surprised that islam has the history that it has, but it should surprise most people that christianity arose from the teachings of JC. For the church was incoherent with JC for 2000 years!

So, if one heeded JC, and gave relevance to this analogy of the good tree and the bad tree, and how one determines which is good and which one is bad, the deeds of christianity is evidence it was not a good tree, but a bad, even an evil tree. And if evil, then not of christ, but of the great deceiver, satan. To convince people that what is of satan is of christ is not that hard to do, for they pulled it off, easily. Just as you can convince other people that islam is what god wants, for it appeals to the violent and murderous aspect that is human nature. While trying to put a halo over it. ha ha.

And yet, the good tree, bad tree teaching was totally ignored, as JC told man just how to, with common sense, discern the difference, so as not to be fooled. Christians just ignored it, which is understandable back when the priests told you what the bible said and then interpreted it for you. But once we could read the NT for ourselves, and use our brains, the church should have been rejected as being a confidence game, run by men who wanted power, authority and prestige, as you see with politicians.

I do not disagree with any of this. And if a religion meshes well with say an empire, it becomes just another means of control, for the empire.

Yet within christianity, there has been tremendous reform, helped along by the break up of christianity into prots and roman catholics. We have yet to see this kind of reform, that can allow a secular state to arise instead of sustaining a theocracy as a religion continues on.

Yet we have a few americans who seem to want some kind of theocracy in the US, with it being a christian theocracy. But our constitution does not allow it, as our founders did not want a repeat of what was seen in europe, with england having the anglican church wielding political power over other christian denominations. And the strife that comes from religious division when one has power over the others. Just look at what violence comes within islam, with the two sects involved, sunni, shia.

 

More than likely, it involves different perceptions of what a God is, or should be.

Of course if christ was who he said he was, then a god was not stolen, but rather, the jewish perception of god, was not accurate, and they used god to justify what they, as human beings, wanted.

Not like there are not various perceptions or conceptions of what god is. Hindus have a different conception of what their gods are as does the conceptions of the ancient jews when compared to the god christ taught about.

The devil is in the details. ha ha

 

While Sunni and Shia are the two main forces, there are over 100 sects of Islam
there is still a lot of internal strife.
Their is no central authority for the religion.
ISIS is Sunni, or at least they claim to be.
Taliban is Sunni, or at least they claim to be.
House of Saud is Sunni.

But put these three in a room together and one will emerge after the killing is done.

 

Clearly, the religion of peace. Yet founded by a warrior.

So not only do the sunni and shiite kill one another, but sunnis can't get along with other sunnis. ha ha.

I think it is malaysia, that will not allow the other sect to immigrate. For they know it will inevitable lead to killing, violence, for being muslim, they know all too well just how violent the sects are, when you mix them together. So they don't allow the other sect in. Pretty smart.

Where you did have the two sects present, it seems you had to have a brutal dictator to keep them from a civil war, like Hussein.

 

Well, actually Islam "IS" the religion of peace.
what they don't tell you, is that the peace comes, only after they kill everyone else.

But there is another monkey wrench

Then all the different sides within Islam have to face off and kill the opposition until one sect remains.

Then they can live in peace and the world is a bowel of cherries.


But wait, there are other problems.
Where will you get your slaves if all are the same.
What women can you capture.

It seems like it can't even be solved on paper, much less real life.

 

Hopefully one day islam will see its own reform as christianity did. But I am not very hopeful given the cultures involved.

 

That sounds good on paper, however "Islam cannot change", and to do so makes you an apostate,
trying to change it may cost you your head.

Muhammed is portrayed as the "Last messenger of God", so we cannot hope for another.

You have in the messenger a beautiful pattern of conduct to follow. ( Qur'an )


Even if one group decided they wanted to change Islam.
Basically remove Muhammed from the religion and start over.

They are one group, and they will have to kill the others.

There is no central authority.

 

I do believe that Muslims in their new countries should stop bullshiting and try to contribute positively to their new society; however, few of them do. Unemployment among them is very high and they are mostly dependent on government welfare. I agree with you on a few things, one of them is that Europe run by idiots. Europe immigration system is broken, collecting garbage from all over the world and call them refugees. What is the point of asking for skilled workers to immigrate while their credentials aren't recognized? These skilled people treated unfairly why a tremendous amount of money channeled to support these useless people. New immigrants should be tested physiologically before being accepted. It shouldn't be all about degree or money when welcoming new immigrant into a country.

 

I got your point. Thanks

 

So we're not going to say anything about grooming gangs and the problem they present?

You realize such a thing is seditious right? I would say Europe's leaders are Beyond stupid they are suicidal they hate their culture. They absolutely turn a blind eye to sedition.

It really makes me wonder when the people of Europe are going to overthrow the EU. Or if they'll just March into Oblivion.