Islam & Christianity the same tradition ?

You should have looked harder. They weren't that hard to find.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/travis-air-force-base-gate-possible-attack-new-details/
https://fox2now.com/2018/03/14/teen-stabbed-three-kids-because-of-his-muslim-faith/
https://www.newson6.com/story/37466156/police-arrest-tahlequah-stabbing-suspect
https://www.wyff4.com/article/man-i...lodes-atf-fbi-deputies-investigating/15942997

Islam does not fight against terrorists because Islam encourages and promotes terrorism. It's in the Koran, anyone who dies while killing infidels gets a greater reward in heaven, depending on what verse, up to and including 72 "doe-eyed virgins". Muslims are the most frequent targets of Middle Eastern terrorism simply because there are multiple sects of Islam fighting each other for dominance, while 99% of all the other religious adherents were murdered centuries ago. Jews were the first to fall victim to Islam's wrath, but they weren't the only ones. Pagans, Zoroastrians, Hindus, and Christians all were slaughtered by the millions by the horrific monstrosity that is Islam. Millions of Africans were enslaved in the Middle East, but unlike those bound for the new world, African men enslaved by Arabs would be emasculated. Slavery is "officially" ended in the Middle East, but in reality, sex slavery continues unabated. See here: https://www.ecpat.org/wp-content/uploads/legacy/Factsheet_Middle_East.pdf

"In public, the U.S. government has made an effort to avoid linking the terrorist threat to Islam and the Quran while dismissing suicide terrorists as crazed heretics who pervert Islamic teachings.

“The terrorists distort the idea of jihad into a call for violence and murder,” the White House maintains in its recently released “National Strategy for Combating Terrorism” report.

But internal Pentagon briefings show intelligence analysts have reached a wholly different conclusion after studying Islamic scripture and the backgrounds of suicide terrorists. They’ve found that most Muslim suicide bombers are in fact students of the Quran who are motivated by its violent commands – making them, as strange as it sounds to the West, “rational actors” on the Islamic stage.

In Islam, it is not how one lives one’s life that guarantees spiritual salvation, but how one dies, according to the briefings. There are great advantages to becoming a martyr. Dying while fighting the infidels in the cause of Allah reserves a special place and honor in Paradise. And it earns special favor with Allah."

http://www.bereanpublishers.com/suicide-bombers-follow-quran-concludes-pentagon-briefing/

 

This one wasn't in the wiki list - I think attacks on military bases do not qualify as terrorism.

This one wasn't in wiki's list either. I'm not so sure a kid getting mad and committing a crime like that counts as terrorism.

This was not an act of terrorism./

It appears this guy wasn't Muslim, but got radicalized by reading terrorist material on the internet. He carried out a crime spree, but it wasn't coordinated with any political objective or help from any terrorist organization. That's probably why it didn't make the list - ??

This is just plain false. Most of those fighting against terrorists in the ME are Muslims. And, that's no surprise, as the vast majority of the victims of terrorism are Muslim.

Yes - ISIS has a carefully taught version of what the Qur'an decrees. That's important in its recruitment, in getting total dedication, etc.

The FBI needs to learn that version, as it is the ISIS version - that's what those opposed to these radicalized terrorists have to deal with.

But, it is NOT subscribed to by mainstream Islam.

 

I see, so any attack by a white nationalist is an act of terrorism but any attack by a Muslim is not. Convenient.

Over 23,000 people were killed by Muslims last year acting in accordance with their religion. When a Christian, a Jew, a Buddhist, or a Hindu kills, they are acting against their religious teaching. This is not about what is "subscribed to", this is about what the religion teaches, and Islam teaches people to kill and to die for the faith. It is a fundamental truth of Islam, and denying it only makes it that much harder to deal with.

 

the biographies of Jesus can be trusted, they stand up to scrutiny, they were reliably preserved for us, and there is credible evidence for Jesus outside his biographies.
Archaeology confirms, not contradicts, the biographies of Jesus. The Jesus of history is the same as the Jesus of faith.

 

islam and mormonism are both cups that people dip their hearts in, instead of the bolt, that is Jesus Christ. The human heart is like a nut that is meant to be attached by a bolt, but is separated from God by sin and people supress and mistake that yearning with cups. This is a good way to explain the gospel to people.

 

I said the white nationalist's act was NOT an act of terrorism. YOU were the one suggesting it was a terrorist act by putting it on your list of terrorist acts that I had "missed".

They are acting in accordance with a tiny minority who preach a radical extremist view of their own religion.

We don't see Christian white nationalists as representing all Christianity, either.

 

Cups, nuts, bolts, something IN the cups, yearning ...

Do you really think that clarified anything at all?

 

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Not sure why you posted this to me since I have not been arguing against the idea that Jesus was real. I have been speaking to what the teachings of Jesus were.

 

If you read the Bible you will see that is what it says that the Jews should do to all non-Jews.

 

The Mohammed character was another Moses. They could have been twins.

 

Did the Jesus character return during the lives of his listeners? I don't think so.

 

Not one person in history has ever had any faith in the Jesus character because no one has ever been able to do what he said a person who has faith can do.

 

What makes you think that babies have souls? There is nothing in the Bible that says that babies, or even women, will get into the golden cube called New Jerusalem.

 

not true, people believe them based on faith, same as other religions

 

good point, part of the Abortion debate is that God is not great enough to just put a soul in a vessel that wont be aborted, as he is all knowing

 

Except that you are redefining an attack by a Muslim as one by a white nationalist.

They are acting in accordance with the Koran. This is why deniers like you are such a problem. You refuse to see that the problem isn't with a limited few but with the religion itself. The same holds true for all those "that wasn't real communism" deniers. They are aligning themselves with an ideology that has slaughtered millions while denying that it is the ideology to blame. That is false and extremely dangerous.

Because they don't follow the teachings of Christ. Anyone who follows the teachings of Christ will be peaceful. Anyone who follows the teachings of Mohammed will be violent. That is why we see the difference in outcomes between Islamic and Christian societies.

 

"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." Jeremiah 1:5

"Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 18:10

"Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish." Matthew 18:14

As for women, if women could not be saved, Paul would not have wasted his time on them. But a woman was the first person saved in Europe.

"And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.

And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us." Acts 16:14-15

 

The Jeremiah passage was about Jeremiah, not anyone else.

The little ones were new converts, not kids. There is nothing in the Bible about children getting baptized.

Lydia was already a believer. She just fell for Paul's line of BS in violation of the First Commandment = Exodus 34:11-16.

 

One of those was by a white nationalist. If I got the wrong one I'm sure you can figure it out.

No, the are acting in accordance with an interpretation of the Qur'an that is shared only by a tiny number of extremists.

Mainstream Islam does NOT accept these extremists. They fight against them, because of their terrorism and violence.

This has nothing to do with Christianity.

The idea that Christianity means being peaceful is absolute nonsense. The US is predominantly Christian, yet throughout history Christianity has included major league violence. Our own revolution was not peaceful. We've carried out wars in many parts of the world in order to require conformity to our beliefs. We've carried out economic war in central America to the devastation of the local economies and for our economic gain. We carried out a revolution in Iran. We helped Iraq use WMDs in their war with Iran. We conquered Afghanistan and then turned immediately to conquer Iraq. We conquered Libya. We have ensured Saudi Arabia's continued dictatorship and heinous treatment of its people in order to be in better position to carry out war. We support Israel in their decades of war against Palestinians in Gaza and help them steal the homes and property, of Palestinians living in Palestine. We help Israel destroy the economy of Palestine, wrecking hardship on all its citizens. We support Israel in their apartheid at home.

The list goes on and on and on and there is absolutely ZERO interest in resolution of these cases.

And, it hasn't been limited to the US, either. The Christians in Ireland carried out a long war of terrorist action against England.

NONE of this can be considered peaceful in ANY WAY. We had essentially no interest in methods other than violence. And, many of those connected with the our decision making took significant profit from those decisions.

 

BS. Mohammed was not a prophet of God.

 

Why do you insist on confusing the religion with the followers of the religion? Here's your logic: Christians aren't peaceful so Christianity isn't peaceful. Muslims are mostly peaceful so Islam is peaceful. Never mind the fact that both statements are ass-backwards, Muslims are much less peaceful than Christians are, the statements run contrary to reality. Christianity is peaceful because its founder was peaceful and preached peace. Islam is violent because its founder was violent and preached violence. When Christians aren't peaceful, they aren't being Christian. They aren't following Christ. When Muslims aren't peaceful, they ARE being Islamic. They ARE following Mohammed. This is as simple as I can make it.

 

Exactly. I also have made that same argument. Many will not accept the truth because they have an agenda of demonizing Christianity and promoting Islam. Christianity is not against self defense. When Christians go to war, they aren't killing to spread the gospel. Big difference.

 

You forgot that Bush called his campaign in the ME a "crusade". In fact, many deluded right wingers used to defend the imperialistic war on Vietnam as being for God and country against atheistic communism.

 

No, that's YOUR logic. You're saying that Christianity is peaceful, thus Christians are peaceful!! You THEN even suggest that if they aren't peaceful, they aren't being Christians!!! (That part is hilarious!)

I'm saying that humans don't necessarily carry out what their religion states.

We have had Christians and Muslims who have carried out terrorism, mitigated for war, used torture and slaughter, etc., in spite of the mainstream interpretation of the religion as being peaceful.

 

So?