Islam & Christianity the same tradition ?

I said:

And were not taking about being killed or treated extremely badly. We're talking about slight changes to the way a hypocrite has to make his way around the community he pretended to belong to.

The similar way that people generally are treated elsewhere for a while after they get caught making a huge lie that harms the people around them.

 

Islam teaches lying is permissible if the lie furthers the cause of Islam. Do you agree with that tenet?

 

No. That isn't true. Taqiyya is permissable if a person's life is threatened. Urgently. As disbelief and expressing it is a very bad thing, what if a muslim is attacked and forced to utter words of disbelief? So the Koran assures the Muslims that if such a situation happens they will be forgiven.

It did happen at the time of Muhammad that a young man's (Ammar) slave parents were tortured to death for being Muslims and Ammar got away and told the prophet that he had outwardly expressed disbelief to save his life. And the prophet informed him that he is forgiven and that if the same happened again he should again deny his faith.

The Shias have a slightly different approach to Taqiyya, but I don't know the details on that.

 

The Apostles died for their faith. They counted dying for Jesus as a good thing. Christians are far braver and more courageous than muslims.

 

Really? Why?

 

Read my post again. Also, the Muslims in Palestine hide behind women and children. Christians and Jews protect women and children.

 

That does on no way explain your claim, not to mention justify. Umm it's the Jews shooting at the children so...

 

You mean if someone pretends to be a Muslim and is not, they can be killed, but if a Muslim pretends to be peaceful but is not, he is justified in Allah's sight. Mohammed and Islam are nothing if not hypocritical.

 

Jews would not shoot at children if Muslims didn't put children in the line of fire. Jews don't put their children in the line of fire, so they aren't killed nearly as often.

 

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In English war and struggle certainly do not mean the same thing. I agree there is some overlap especially in hyperbole, but the many decades of struggle for human rights in the US is an example of a long, long struggle that is not a war. And on the other side, nobody would think to suggest our many wars should be termed struggle.

 

Jews aren't killed as often for one simple reason - that have orverwhelming military might in any rational comparison.

So, Gaza (an open air prison which is an Israeli act of war) sends a rocket that can not even be aimed and Israel uses modern jets to bomb Gaza apartment buildings, necessary infrastructure and even hospitals.

Who do YOU think is going to get killed more frequently? It's not as if you need to look at stats.

 

Yes. Anyone who doesn't believe what you believe is certainly evil. It's so much easier that way.

So, we saughtered huge numbers of Iraqis and erected a murderous government that continued in the same direction without even having a justification.

But, we didn't really MEAN any harm to anyone. Right?

 

I have multiple posts on here explaining why the Iraq war was both immoral and unwise, so don't try to use the Iraq war against me.

 

March 15, 2008 - To enlighten those who may have harbored any doubts, Fathi Ahmad Hammad, member of the Palestinian Legislative Council, said it loud and said it proud: Palestinians deliberately use women and children as human shields.

This is the transcript of his remarks (but it is worth watching the clip just to hear the hatred in his voice):

[The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life."
Hammad is a leader of the Izzedeen al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas, and in 2006 was elected to the Palestinian Parliament as a Hamas representative. He is also director of Al-Aqsa TV, which aired his comments on February 29.

http://www.peacewithrealism.org/headline/admit.htm

UN report outlines how Hamas used kids as human shields

"The headlines in most places were entirely predictable: “UN Says Israel Killed 44 Palestinians in Schools During Gaza War.” That was indeed one finding of a UN report published Monday — but only part of the story.

The report also confirmed something Israel’s been saying all along: Hamas stored mortars and other weapons in at least three UN schools during last summer’s war and fired rockets at Israel from two of them.

Israel repeatedly made that point during the conflict to explain why it was firing on schools (and mosques and hospitals) where Palestinians had taken refuge.

Because Hamas, desperate to win world sympathy by any means, has always been happy to use Palestinian innocents as human shields — the more casualties, the better."

https://nypost.com/2015/05/02/un-report-outlines-how-hamas-used-kids-as-human-shields/

Hamas Plans to Use Children as Human Shields in Mass Border Riots This Weekend, Israeli UN Envoy Warns

In a letter to the UN Security Council and Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, Israeli Ambassador Danny Danon wrote, “Hamas has cancelled school on 30 March so that children will be free to attend the riots. As always, Hamas will exploit these children as human shields and compensate the rioters and their families, should they suffer injuries.”

https://www.algemeiner.com/2019/03/...er-riots-this-weekend-israeli-un-envoy-warns/

 

What the matter, can't read?

 

But if they did, they would shoot?

Actually one wise Israeli guy took his family to the Israelis illegal settlements and got his 4 months old baby killed. If I believed in karma..

 

No need for a complete definition - one thing all Islamist's have in common is belief that Sharia should be the law of the land. This makes these people evil.

There is a difference between 1) having a religious belief and 2) forcing that belief on others through physical violence (law).

If one does not like alcohol - don't drink ... simple. Law - by definition - is giving the state power to use physical violence to impose this law on others. In the case of restrictions of individual liberty - this requires legitimate justification - something that is not logical fallacy.

To restrict individual liberty on the basis "God Says so" is not legitimate justification - no one can prove what God thinks or says. Nor is "I don't like alcohol" legitimate justification.

Forcing religious belief on another human through physical violence (law) violates the Golden Rule = don't do to others what you don't want done to you/ Treat others as you would be treated.

In other words - If you don't want others forcing religious or personal beliefs on you through physical violence - you then have a moral obligation not to do the same to others. Violation of this principle - and this moral obligation is evil.

This rule is in Hamurrabi's Law Code. Buddha and Confucius stated this rule. This rule is the Rock on which Jesus based his ministry - and Yes - Muhammad also touted this rule - along with "there is no compulsion in Islam".

 

Law messing with individual liberty on the basis of religious belief is "Evil" - Full Stop. This has nothing to do with fear -and everything to do with the definition of evil - unless of course you hate the individual liberty and the founding principles .. in which case you are no better than the Islamist's

If both parties agree - then force is not involved. If two people to jerk each other off - I don't care. It is when someone tries to force belief on another through physical violence (Law) that I take issue.

 

Nope. That's Muslim propaganda. Muslims strap bombs to their children and brainwash them to die for allah. Islam is a backwards murderous misogynistic tribal cult.

 

Why call Muslims Islamists? Why isn't the actual word Muslim good enough for you? Do perhaps like to form an automatic connection between Islam and extremism? Law of which land? I'm sure you can agree that the Muslims can choose the law of their land..

belief can't be forced. Physical violence is not the same as law. I don't know how you can even say that. Are you deliberately lying or just not paying any attention to what you say?

There you go again. What physical violence? Impose?

For Muslims Islam is the justification. But I suppose you want them to please your personal preferences as well, as a nation?

It's proven in the Koran. It's God's word you know.

But you see Muslims want others to guide them if they lose their way.

And that is indeed prohibited in Islam.

We don't follow Buddha or Confucius.

Well we would never know what with the Christians losing his message.

it goes "there........... In religion."

 

You just keep failing to answer my questions. Are you a Christian or not?

 

You really need to explain this.

 

Well why do you use all sorts of things against Muslims after they have multiple times explained why all sorts of things have been immoral and unwise? Hypocritical any?

 

A distinction without a difference.

 

No, I never fail to answer anyone's questions. I am a Christian and I believe that the Bible is true and the Quran is a lie.