Israel has Killed over 3,500 children in the last 3 weeks

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  1. TOG 6

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    This is false..
    1950-1967, the West Bank was part of Jordan.
    In fact, it was part of Jordan until 1994, when Jordan ceded it to Israel.
    The people there were Jordanian citizens, had the right to vote in Jordanian elections, and had representation in the Jordanian legislature.

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  2. TCassa89

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    Palestine was never an independent nation, but that is still very much what the borders were between Israel and the Palestinian territory in 1967. Those borders were what the Palestinian demands were in the 1990s when they formally acknowledged Israel
     
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    I'm saying that the Bible forbids retreat into Egypt during these wars in Israel and Palestine.

    So that's a non starter
     
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    Because there is no timeline.

    If it matters not then why try and refute it?

    Ethiopian is more related to African than to Ashkenazi.

    Meaning it's not heritage
     
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    There can never be a meeting of the minds because the Palestinians can never be trusted not to be planning further attacks against Israel. They allow militants to use their land freely and in any way the militants wish. The Palestinians should be grateful that Israel is driving Hamas out but they are not grateful because they were perfectly fine with Hamas being there.
     
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    This is probably the single most doltish post I have seen on this current war. Entire city blocks have been flattened in a region more densely populated than LA, resulting in one of the biggest humanitarian crises in the world, where countless civilians are dying and are without water or electricity, and over 1,000,000 Palestinians have already been made homeless... but yeah, they should totally be grateful, who wouldn't be grateful?
     
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    Not necessary. I already have the answer. Maximum damage to innocent population results from the need to engage in urban fighting and a population that refused to move away from the area after being warned. This has to be done. You might as well get used to it. Nothing will reverse the need for Israel to destroy Hamas.
     
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    You are picking the side of the Palestinians, obviously. War isn't about protecting anything. It is about breaking things and killing people. All wars ever. The overwhelming military operation is designed to protect Israeli soldiers while softening the target. The people were warned to move. That they didn't doesn't make it pretty. It makes it tactically important to cause the damage. I understand from your post that you have no military experience.
     
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    The US used mostly special operations on the ground in the populated regions of Afghanistan to protect the innocent, we also rebuilt infrastructure damaged from the war. We have a long history of doing that actually.. Israel uses no such methods, despite the fact that this is a region more densely populated than LA, where nearly half the population are children.

    I think we can both agree that these methods do not protect the innocent... Consider the fact that over a millions people have already been made homeless, and many more are living without electricity or water, and are in dire need of humanitarian aid. This is making out to be one of the biggest refugee crises since WWII... so then the big question becomes what is the goal of these military methods, and do those goals outweigh the magnitude of the humanitarian crisis that it is creating? Is this stopping a global crisis, or is it creating one?
     
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    We are living in different universes - in my universe no reliable agency proved that the failed Palestinian missile theory was wrong.
    Israel hit ambulance? Here is what is what Israel is saying:
    https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...onvoy-ambulances-leaving-al-shifa-2023-11-03/
    "Israel's military said it had identified and hit an ambulance "being used by a Hamas terrorist cell". It said Hamas fighters were killed in the strike, and accused the group of transferring militants and weapons in ambulances."

    It may universe it can be true, in you universe Hamas is peace loving organization which never kills civilians and never uses ambulances to transfer its fighters to different places.
    I'll bet in your universe this is a fake video or show Palestinians victims:
    https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1720564508073041993
     
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    There are many flavors of Zionists including those who have been prepared for many decades to live in peace with Muslims.

    Both of these maps were accepted by Israel and rejected by Palestinians.

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    In both cases, the Arab/Palestinian rejection was punctuated by war.
     
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    re; West bank:
    No. That's the border between Israel and Jordan.
    Everyone who lived there was Jordanian.
    And Jordan ceded that territory to Israel in 1994.
     
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    And declaring criticism of Israel to be necessarily anti-jewish is in itself anti-jewish. There are plenty of Jews around the world who oppose what the Netanyahu regime is doing.
     
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    This is the same logic Hamas uses. Israel should be better than that.
     
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    Yep, here is an opinion from someone from Yemen:
    https://twitter.com/HilzFuld/status/1720382304474771881

    How do you explain it?
     
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    I don't think this is completely true. While yes, a high number of Americans as as you say, I think another high number of Americans oppose what Israel is doing, and that an additional high number oppose fundong it. I think this is more a case of the politicians being bought.
     
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    But for Hamas's terrorist atrocities we would not be where we are today.
     
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    when fighting an attacker who obeys no rules, limiting one's response can lead to defeat
     
  19. Jolly Penguin

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    This is a drastically assymetrical war, if you can even call it a war. Israel vastly overpowers Hamas and there is no excuse for this level of disregard for civilian casualties. This is a like a police force demolishing a skyscraper full of people because a lone gunman shot somebody from the top floor.

    I don't believe for a second that Israel can't secure it's people from Hamas without slaughtering so many civilians indiscriminately. That is bound to create more problems for Israel than it solves.

    This requires a well thought out plan involving tightening borders, infiltrating Hamas, assassinating Hamas leaders, and humanitarian aid and PR campaign towards Palestinian civilian refugees.

    And no, this should not be about choosing a side and acting like it can do no wrong. Everyone can do wrong, and everyone should be held accountable. That includes Hamas (of course), Nettsnyahu's regime, and also the USA funding them and giving them the green light.
     
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    Again , so what?

    I didn’t know Muslim follow Bible.

    Egyptian Muslim should take their brothers and sisters who are suffering in Palestine and give them citizenship, job, home, work, wife, and a better future.
     
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    It is war and war is hell. Always.
     
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    You repeated yourself without responding to my criticism. So consider this post ignored.
     
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    Your information sources are the always-liberal Amnesty International, and, the UN's Philippe Lazzarini...? Got any others with a recognizable degree of unbiased credibility? Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Lazzarini

    And, just curious... do you place any blame at all on Islamo-terrorists who use civilian populations as "human shields"? Evidently not....
     
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    That doesn't explain Israel needing to bomb Gaza.
     
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    I'm sure Egyptians know alot about the Bible, especially concerning their country.
     

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