Israel PM vows to annex West Bank settlements if re-elected

I great start is to impose sanctions on Israel, like any country responsible for breaking international law. This should have been done a long while ago and can achieve peace in the region.

The thing is the rule of law is not generally applied, for the rich and the poor, for those with power and those without.
That would make for a great system, and the UN is not, however, it's better than nothing and can be improved, like most human systems.
My thinking is that centralizing more judicial power for nations in an entity like the UN is the way to achieve global peace, but I see no easy process towards that or a way back if the implementation is not in goodspirit.

 

hence, your Nazi avatar

 

Find me a symbol that the Nazis used that included the GOP elephant and I'll agree with you and then stop using it.

You can't of course.

 

Trump will not lose.
America does not need Hussain Obamba No. 2

 

I am against sanctions in general - as a tool - but - it if is good for the goose "Iran" it is good for the Gander - "Israel"

Both nations are causing trouble in the region - need this blood feud to end.

As long as we have assclowns like this around - nothing will be done to get Israel in line.
Pompeo warns ICC of ‘consequences’ for potential war crimes probe of Israel


https://www.timesofisrael.com/pompe...tial-illegitimate-war-crimes-probe-of-israel/

 

Trump is a Clown. He has a shot - but the cards are stacked against him IMO

What America needs is a different question - What think we need is someone to fight against the Establishment Status quo. Trump is an Establishment wonk and Israel's lapdog.

 

Again you try to enter Israel into Trump's chances to win or not..
I understand that some do not like Trump .. and sometimes he acts funny like a clown ... at the end of the day he is GOOD for America's economy.
He is a much better president than former Hussain Obamba !!

 

1) This Thread is about Israel
2) I did not tie this to Trumps chances to win - I was responding to your comment on "what america needs" - which is a separate question.
3) Trump is better in some ways than Obama -Worse in others - Both were/are establishment wonks.
4) another Establishment wonk is not good for America - nor is Trumps reckless foreign policy.

 

What can i say to a person that writes "Israel did not win the West bank in a war" ? Nothing.
Chau

 

It is a statement of fact - what do you want me to do - go along with your falsehood to humor you ?

Prove your claim

 

To those - like @Giftedone and @zer0lis - who claim that Israel is violating international law: please quote the relevant international law. It's impossible to have a decent debate around undefined terms and unclear premises.

 

we went through this before - The UN has stated Israel is violating international law by stealing land on numerous occasions. - and in general it is a violation of international law for a nation steal houses from people in land is not yours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israeli_settlements

 

There is nothing to debate. The only 'international law' that is left standing is the one that gives cover to the rules of the jungle. To be sure, even in the best of times, 'international law' wasn't all that enforceable or taken all that seriously, unless there was some balance of power to make observing its provisions a bit less 'voluntary'

Lets see where all this leads to as it relates to the future of the "Jewish state"? To be sure, I personally don't consider anything done by Israel to be in any way a reflection of anything that legitimately arises from or is connected to specifically Jewish history or culture. It is instead a reflection of a borrowed ideology taken from those who once persecuted the Jews, only re-defining or adjusting the definitions of who should or shouldn't be persecuted instead.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War


The West Bank
Israel was to gain almost total control of the West Bank by the evening of 7 June,[111] and began its military occupation of the West Bank on that day, issuing a military order, the "Proclamation Regarding Law and Administration (The West Bank Area) (No. 2)—1967", which established the military government in the West Bank and granted the commander of the area full legislative, executive, and judicial power.[112][4] Jordan had realised that it had no hope of defence as early as the morning of 6 June, just a day after the conflict had begun.[113] At Nasser's request, Egypt's Abdul Munim Riad sent a situation update at midday on 6 June:[111]

The situation on the West Bank is rapidly deteriorating. A concentrated attack has been launched on all axes, together with heavy fire, day and night. Jordanian, Syrian and Iraqi air forces in position H3 have been virtually destroyed. Upon consultation with King Hussein I have been asked to convey to you the following choices:

1. A political decision to cease fighting to be imposed by a third party (the USA, the Soviet Union or the Security Council).
2. To vacate the West Bank tonight.
3. To go on fighting for one more day, resulting in the isolation and destruction of the entire Jordanian Army.
King Hussein has asked me to refer this matter to you for an immediate reply."

An Egyptian order for Jordanian forces to withdraw across the Jordan River was issued at 10am on June 6; however that afternoon King Hussein learned of the impending United Nations Security Council Resolution 233 and decided instead to hold out in the hope that a ceasefire would be implemented soon. It was already too late, as the counter-order caused confusion and in many cases it was not possible to regain positions which had previously been left.[114]

On 7 June, Dayan had ordered his troops not to enter the Old City; however, upon hearing that the UN was about to declare a ceasefire, he changed his mind, and without cabinet clearance, decided to capture it.[98] Two paratroop battalions attacked Augusta-Victoria Hill, high ground overlooking the Old City from the east. One battalion attacked from Mount Scopus, and another attacked from the valley between it and the Old City. Another paratroop battalion, personally led by Gur, broke into the Old City, and was joined by the other two battalions after their missions were complete. The paratroopers met little resistance. The fighting was conducted solely by the paratroopers; the Israelis did not use armour during the battle out of fear of severe damage to the Old City.

In the north, one battalion from Peled's division was sent to check Jordanian defenses in the Jordan Valley. A brigade belonging to Peled's division captured the western part of the West Bank. One brigade attacked Jordanian artillery positions around Jenin, which were shelling Ramat David Airbase. The Jordanian 12th Armored Battalion, which outnumbered the Israelis, held off repeated attempts to capture Jenin. However, Israeli air attacks took their toll, and the Jordanian M48 Pattons, with their external fuel tanks, proved vulnerable at short distances, even to the Israeli-modified Shermans. Twelve Jordanian tanks were destroyed, and only six remained operational.[108]


David Rubinger's famed photograph of IDF paratroopers at Jerusalem's Western Wall shortly after its capture. From left to right: Zion Karasenti, Yitzhak Yifat, and Haim Oshri.[a]
Just after dusk, Israeli reinforcements arrived. The Jordanians continued to fiercely resist, and the Israelis were unable to advance without artillery and air support. One Israeli jet attacked the Jordanian commander's tank, wounding him and killing his radio operator and intelligence officer. The surviving Jordanian forces then withdrew to Jenin, where they were reinforced by the 25th Infantry Brigade. The Jordanians were effectively surrounded in Jenin.[108]

Jordanian infantry and their three remaining tanks managed to hold off the Israelis until 4:00 am, when three battalions arrived to reinforce them in the afternoon. The Jordanian tanks charged, and knocked out multiple Israeli vehicles, and the tide began to shift. After sunrise, Israeli jets and artillery conducted a two-hour bombardment against the Jordanians. The Jordanians lost 10 dead and 250 wounded, and had only seven tanks left, including two without gas, and sixteen APCs. The Israelis then fought their way into Jenin, and captured the city after fierce fighting.[115]

After the Old City fell, the Jerusalem Brigade reinforced the paratroopers, and continued to the south, capturing Judea and Gush Etzion. Hebron was taken without any resistance. Fearful that Israeli soldiers would exact retribution for the 1929 massacre of the city's Jewish community, Hebron's residents flew white sheets from their windows and rooftops, and voluntarily gave up their weapons.[citation needed] The Harel Brigade proceeded eastward, descending to the Jordan River.

On 7 June, Israeli forces seized Bethlehem, taking the city after a brief battle that left some 40 Jordanian soldiers dead, with the remainder fleeing. On the same day, one of Peled's brigades seized Nablus; then it joined one of Central Command's armoured brigades to fight the Jordanian forces; as the Jordanians held the advantage of superior equipment and were equal in numbers to the Israelis.

Again, the air superiority of the IAF proved paramount as it immobilized the Jordanians, leading to their defeat. One of Peled's brigades joined with its Central Command counterparts coming from Ramallah, and the remaining two blocked the Jordan river crossings together with the Central Command's 10th. Engineering Corps sappers blew up the Abdullah and Hussein bridges with captured Jordanian mortar shells, while elements of the Harel Brigade crossed the river and occupied positions along the east bank to cover them, but quickly pulled back due to American pressure. The Jordanians, anticipating an Israeli offensive deep into Jordan, assembled the remnants of their army and Iraqi units in Jordan to protect the western approaches to Amman and the southern slopes of the Golan Heights.

As Israel continued its offensive on 7 June, taking no account of the UN ceasefire resolution, the Egyptian-Jordanian command ordered a full Jordanian withdrawal for the second time, in order to avoid an annihilation of the Jordanian army.[116] This was complete by nightfall on 7 June.[116]

After the Old City was captured, Dayan told his troops to "dig in" to hold it. When an armoured brigade commander entered the West Bank on his own initiative, and stated that he could see Jericho, Dayan ordered him back. It was only after intelligence reports indicated that Hussein had withdrawn his forces across the Jordan River that Dayan ordered his troops to capture the West Bank.[102] According to Narkis:

 

Not sure why you posted a bunch of stuff about the war that does not relate. Nor do you prove your claim. Israel did not "Win the West Bank" - there was no such prize awarded by the UN - which is why Israels continued stealing of land is illegal under international law.

 

Israel and Jordan agreed on the border in the 1994 Treaty. I don't know what all the huff and puff is about, it's been a done deal for over 50 years.

 

Some cannot accept that ..
Same as they cannot accept that Jordan is Palestine .. Allah will take care of that .. Inshallahhh

 

You are the one that cannot accept the fact that Israel is violating international law - and this is causing problems in the region.

 

Yes, we went through this before. It's crystal clear you still don't have a clue what international law really is.

I've read the advisory opinion. It's based almost exclusively on UN resolutions and public opinion, none of which is binding (and neither is the advisory opinion), none of which generates international law. The court blatantly disregarded written definitions and articles in international treaties and other documents, including the UN Charter (article 80), in favor of stated opinions of representatives of different countries in different international bodies.

Given that ICJ advisory opinions are sometimes used as justification for customary international law, the document created the premises for a very interesting paradoxical situation. The annexation of the territories by Jordan in 1949 had never been recognized by the international community, which means that at the time of the six day war the territories were occupied, or at least disputed, according to customary international law. The court, however, claimed that the territories belonged then to a high contracting party (Jordan signed the Geneva Conventions in the 50s), making the Jordanian occupation legal ex post facto. If Israel annexes parts of the territories, this annexation will become legal under customary international law because of this advisory opinion. What's sauce for the Jordanian goose...

When push comes to shove, and courts of law must rule - binding ruling, as opposed to mere opinions - on the matter of the applicability of Geneva Conventions to the territories, the results are surprinsingly in Israel's favor. Here's one example (google translate, original in French):
https://www.dreuz.info/2013/04/13/l...que-loccupation-par-israel-nest-pas-illegale/

Here's the court document, in French:
https://fr.slideshare.net/yohanntaieb3/decision-de-lacourdappel

 

No.
The Palestinian Bedouins whom are happy to stay refugees and take our money are the ones to blame.

 

Lives destroyed

https://www.juancole.com/2020/05/refugees-grandfather-palestine.html

 

1) Palestinians are not the only people being targeted
2) Some Palestinian is not to blame for Israel bulldozing their home and illegally stealing the land.

Why are you pretending that such an obvious falsehoods is true ?

 

We all know that UN resolutions are not binding ... duh

This does not change that stealing land is a violation of international law - deemed so by the body responsible for determining violations of international law.

 

As it seems to support war it's a horrible statement. It's against the whole idea of diplomacy

It's also the main concept of sovereignty, which is the major doctrine supported in the United Nations Charter.

My question is what do the people living in the West Bank want?

 

Maybe not.

More than one pundit is saying that the Corvid Crisis is good for stocks since it may have cooled off a market that was seriously overheated. Trump's "prosperity" has very little substance behind it, and a lot of bad stuff in the wings.