Israel Shooting Those Waiting for Food Aid

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  1. AFM

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    The only oppressors in Gaza for the last two decades is Hamas. When was the last election?
     
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    An average of 90 trucks per day containing not just food and water would not feed 100,000 people let alone two million. None of the civilians have any money so perhaps you could explain how Hamas sell the food?
     
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    Approximately 500 trucks per day are needed. Since the current hostilities began by Hamas on October 7 the peak has been ~ 300. On a good day the total is ~ 200. Hamas is responsible for the reduction in supplies. Israel must carefully inspect all shipments for weapons. Hamas can smuggle goods out of Gaza through tunnels under the Egyptian border which are large enough to drive vehicles through and sell them in Egypt or other Arab countries.

    https://www.npr.org/2024/02/21/1232605200/humanitarian-aid-gaza-israel
     
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    Israel owns Gaza right now.

    They have the responsibility for keeping safe administration of aid to the 2 million civilians in Gaza.

    There is a big difference between shooting those trying to get aid and having a lapse in security for aid distribution.

    In one case they are the perpetrators. In the other, they're trying to carry out their responsibility.
     
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    Organizations deliver aid all over the world.

    There is planning and security on the ground, because of the likely behavior of starving human beings who know there won't be enough food delivered.

    Gaza is owned by Israel right now. They have removed any organization within Gaza's civilians to do this kind of work.

    And, it IS Israel's responsibility that its captives are fed - as stated by the ICJ.
     
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    At around 1:30 mark you can see the trucks floor it and try to get away from the looters many of which must have been ran over

     
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    That doesn't absolve Israel.

    Israel IS the responsible party for supplying food, water, medical supplies and other requirements for life. Israel owns Gaza right now, as Gaza's abilities to keep themselves alive have been destroyed.

    The Israeli method of supplying aid failed spectacularly.
     
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    100%. Pure Hasbara.

    Can't make **** up that's this good.

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    Hamas terrorists. It was not an action of state.

    Palestinian civilians took no part in this action, nor were they aware of the action being planned.

    There is NO validity to the Israeli claim of rights of group punishment.

    The rule of law is about holding individuals responsible for their actions. It does not include genocide for the population from which a terrorist action emerged.
     
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    This has gone way too far. That is the problem with revenge wars . What has been achieved by now?? Misery beyond humanitarian comprehension. The PEOPLE in Gaza have been reduced to eating animal feed. Those that decide these wars of revenge sit in offices of power and have no clue as to the consequences of their decisions. One cannot kill every terrorist........as terrorism will always find a way back.... ie No one can kill an "ism". Mind you....it also depends on what Israel's REAL motives ae ......and they seem to involve conquest . and control of the area. Co inhabiting together side by side like civilized people is not what they want. ( on either side ...it seems)
     
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    Hamas owns Gaza.
     
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    What are you supposed to do when thousands of looters swarm you like that. They were literally crawling over each other. The drivers panicked, and so would you.
     
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    Don't worry. I won't report you.

    Cases of Hamas stealing food aid is one of the factors demonstrating that the Israeli plan for feeding Gazans is totally inadequate.

    Also, shooting at civilians seeking aid is just plain below any possible moral code.

    It is certainly NOT consistent with Judaism.

    What's going on with Israel that they would shoot civilians and/or allow 2 million civilians face starvation?
     
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    Those are starving human beings. Calling them looters is flat out disgusting.

    The problem is that the Israeli plan for feeding Gaza's citizens is a cr@p fest that nobody could possibly think would be successful.

    Israel has responsibility for these people. Israel OWNS Gaza for now.

    When Israel shirks its moral responsibility here, people die. And, not just because Israel chooses to shoot desperate civilians.


    These civilians ARE de facto prisoners of war. Is it US policy to shoot our prisoners of war? NO! We feed them and we care for their medical concerns, even as the conflict continues. These Israelis who are in control are ignoring their history and their religion. And, the people of Israel are demonstrating against Netanyahu.
     
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    Lorries don't move sideways.
     
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    Hamas does not own Gaza by any rational definition.
     
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    They own Gaza because of their actions which started in 2007 after they overthrew by force the PLO government of Gaza and started launching rockets at Israeli neighborhoods. Is rael is in the process of eradicating Hamas from Gaza which is to the very great benefit of the civilians of Gaza.
     
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    What is the Hamas plan for feeding these starving human beings?
     
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    No, I strongly doubt Hamas will be eradicated.

    Hamas is an idea as much as anything else.

    It's the idea that Palestinians are humans who have human rights - rights that Israel and the US have taken monumental action to deny them.

    There are two paths. One path is negotiation. But, the USA has staunchly and very successfully opposed that path. The other is military defense of their borders. That's not going so well, because they don't have the military power of Israel or the US, but they certainly did startle Israel last October, and that won't be forgotten by Palestine.

    Israel's genocide will NEVER be forgotten. It will be part of what Israel is, into the very distant future.
     
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    There can be no Hamas plan.

    Israel owns Gaza, NOT Hamas.
     
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    Do they even have one?? Did they not anticipate the consequences of their attack in Oct???
     
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    What is the technical status of GAza now?? Occupied by Israel?? Or???? Who is actually in charge in Gaza now??
     
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    They are almost gone now. Hamas is a cancer. Israel is the surgeon tasked with removing the cancerous tissue so that the body pf Gazan civilians can be saved. And all you seem capable of doing is condemning Israel for doing the work at great cost of blood and treasure for the good of the Gazan people. You call Israel’s action genocide. That is tantamount to calling a surgeon a murderer because the cancer tissue is hiding behind some normal tissue.

    The IDF is the most moral military organization in the history of the world.
     
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    Israel gave up control/ownership of Gaza in 2005. Hamas took ownership/control of Gaza in 2006.
     
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    The video clearly shows that there was not thousands around each truck. The drivers panicked because the IDF randomly started shooting at anyone moving including the truck drivers
     
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