Israel Vows No More Visas to Human Rights Watch

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  1. felonius

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    your too afraid to have this conversation with me. Im trying to ask you if members of HAMAS, known killers, should be exempt from acts of war? I provided you something from your OWN ARTICLE that you are refusing to even look at.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You would be well served to look up the word "Fascist" before applying it to Iran & its parliamentary government.
    Additionally you must be unaware of the fact that Iran is fighting the Israeli backed Islamic State and that Iran's Jews are far more fortunate than Israel's long tormented, native Palestinian non Jews (Christians, Muslims, etc)


    "Iran's Jews on life inside Israel's 'enemy state': 'We feel secure and happy'"
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-state-we-feel-secure-and-happy-a6934931.html

    EXCERPT "Despite its often turbulent dealings with Israel, Iran has one of the world's largest and longest-established Jewish communities -(*)and it's growing. Kim Sengupta reports from Tehran on their intriguing relationship with the country's establishment

    Ciamak Morsadegh, a newly elected Iranian parliamentarian.
    The MP is Jewish, representing the largest Jewish community in the Middle East outside Israel, one that is growing in size while those in almost all other Muslim countries in the region have shrunk severely or disappeared altogether
    "The fact is, Iran is a place where Jews feel secure and we are happy to be here," he says. "We are proud to be Iranian. I know this doesn't follow the Zionist script, but this is the reality."
    "The Israelis offer money to Jewish people to emigrate to Israel, but we choose to stay. My view is that the actions of Netanyahu and his government, the way they behave towards the Palestinians, cause problems for Jews everywhere. I am not the only one holding these views. Am I not allowed to say it because I am a Jew? "CONTINUED


    On top of these realities, Iran has repeatedly reached out to the US when America needed Iranian expertise.
    For Example:

    "Iran renews offer to help on US oil spill"
    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a59_1274982931

    EXCERPT "The National Iranian Drilling Company (NIDC) has renewed its offer to assist the US in reining in an ecologically disastrous oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

    Mehran Alinejad, the head of special drilling operations at NIDC, pointed to the experience gained by Iranian experts in containing huge oil leaks during the eight-year Iraqi-imposed war in the 1980s, and said, "Iranian technical teams have had major achievements in oil well capping and the Gulf of Mexico oil rig is not a great feat in comparison."

    "There is, at any rate, an ecological disaster in the Gulf of Mexico and its negative consequences will affect everyone. That is why if we receive a suitable response from relevant [American] officials we can examine the issue and contribute to its resolution," Alinejad was quoted by IRNA as saying." CONTINUED

    Meanwhile, Israel's parasitism is rivaled only by its treachery & betrayals.

    For example:
    “CSI Forensics Proves Who Killed US Marines - Evidence shows Israel is Guilty!
    http://www.trionfopublishing.com/cache/forensics.htm


    The primary reasons that Israel is the target of criticism is that its atrocities are U.S. funded & it repeatedly exploits the holocaust® while running an ethnic cleansing agenda of its own.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    More recent acts of Israeli betrayal / terrorism are:

    "Israeli Snipers are shooting hundreds of American soldiers in Iraq:"
    http://www.blissful-wisdom.com/isra...ng-hundreds-of-american-soldiers-in-iraq.html
    EXCERPT "Anderson Cooper of CNN showed this video of snipers killing U.S. troops in Iraq on his October 18, 2006 show. CNN says it obtained the video from a "representative" of an unnamed "insurgent leader." Bear in mind that Anderson Cooper used to work for the CIA.

    Richard Wilson's hypothesis: Israeli soldiers and/or Mossad agents are killing our soldiers in Iraq in order to enrage American troops so that the slaughter continues.

    Proof: At the very beginning of this video clip, you see a rifle with a video camera attached to it. This weapon is made by the Rafael company, an Israeli arms manufacturer, that also makes IEDs.

    If you watch the video all the way through, it explains how this rifle works. CNN stated that the camera used to film these shootings was not a mounted rifle camera. But as you watch the video, you see that with each shot fired, the camera recoils. That would only happen if it were mounted on the rifle. Why is this significant? Because this kind of rifle-camera is extremely sophisticated and not available to your average Iraqi insurgent. I mean, it's not exactly an easily obtainable Saturday night special!
    Something this sophisticated points to Mossad."CONTINUED


    For additional Israeli False Flags & acts of terrorism, please see:

    "Israel’s Use of False Flags in Global Terrorism"
    https://americanfreepress.net/web-exclusive-israels-use-of-false-flags-in-global-terrorism/
     
  4. moon

    moon Well-Known Member

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    You're an assassination buff. You really do think that it's acceptable behavior to murder your political opponents in foreign countries. It's not an opportunity for debate- it's a case for a criminal psychologist.


    Gratefully- there are some sane Israelis;

     
  5. felonius

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    oh, HAMAS is just a "political opponent ". I thought they were terrorists. Hypocrite.
     
  6. moon

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    Hamas is called a ' terrorist ' organisation by those who support Israeli terrorism. Many others disagree and treat Hamas with respect.

    NeoZionist.
     
  7. felonius

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    your credibility called, it wants a divorce. Good day sir.
     
  8. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is that whatcha calling it? ISIS would not have liked it if they've heard you :steamed:

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    :wall:

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    You're too kind.
     
  9. moon

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    Well- it looked at yours and we've reached a reconciliation ;

    When you accept that Hamas is NOT a ' terrorist ' organisation to the world outside of neoZionist interests you'll be in a position to continue discussion. Not with me though- I've seen you.
     
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    The elites are pitting the races against each other. It serves their purpose of avoiding a class war. Racial wars would keep the bigoted elite safe in their place. While a class war would threaten the very fabric of their existence. The new Era as you have called it is really going to be an old Era revisited. The elite bloodlines have not stayed in power for over 2000 years because they are dumb. When class war looks like the inevitable the elite are quick to pit races against each other. Racism serves its purpose for the elite that's why it has never been stamped out completely. When the coast is clear they will just stop reporting about racism to leave it fester in peace for the next time they need to call on it.
     
  11. moon

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    How much will Trump contribute to the coming ' dark era ' ?

    The irony is both astonishing and putrid. AMERICA demanding that anybody else ' ends its obsession with Israel ' ? You could rename Washington ' New Zion ' and nobody would break stride.
     
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    You're barking up the wrong tree, sport.
     
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    Where's your invasion army bro? Put up or shut up ;)
     
  14. moon

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    All over the world. Folk can sign up here;
    https://bdsmovement.net/

    Change without bloodshed.
     
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    And if denying them your vegan shakes is ineffective? What then?
     
  16. moon

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    ' Everyone knows an ant...can't.....move a rubber tree plant '
     
  17. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Kumbaya much? :roflol:

    [video=youtube;vo9AH4vG2wA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo9AH4vG2wA[/video]
     
  18. felonius

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    Not according to your friendly neighborhood HAMAS
     
  19. moon

    moon Well-Known Member

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    You'll find that's common to all military organisations.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A spokesman from your own State Department has already said they do no believe this is true. Basically whoever is being criticised by HRW says they are prejudiced.

    Seriously again you use the most biased possible source. (NGO Monitor) I highly doubt what they say, not because of BDS which them and your ilk call terrorist but because they are a right wing Israel organisation whose entire intent is to slander anyone who criticises Israel and get rid of human rights. Two ways are used to do this. One is calling antisemitism, the other is to say they are BDS and hence terrorists. You really believe the people from HRW have no intelligence. Do you not think they are well aware of the silly ideas which Israel comes up with as well as the need to be above suspicion as far as such things are. Ridiculous! I know of the organisation which you originally put in who are the only people suggesting this. Even wiki describes them as knowingly writing false accounts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGO_Monitor#cite_note-jp302155-43

    First you give a far right hate consortium and now this Israeli based Monotor on Human Rights which is only going to give the view of the extreme right government in Israel. Tsk.

    Israel believes that mentioning BDS is the same as calling someone a terrorist. She had already decided to deport people involved in BDS, http://jfjfp.com/?p=85552

    All rights for Israel. No rights for the people of Palestine enduring military rule of course.

    which you have failed every time to do. You present only extreme right sites the content of which has been repudiated. You message is hateful propaganda. No I do not accept your message.

    and yet I have provided authoritative sources and you only provide far right hate groups or ones working for the extreme right Israeli Government who continually tell lies about people to try and destroy them.


    I had no idea we were talking about them. What we were talking about was Israel trying to get Human Rights unable to report on Israel whether that is her own for instance B'Tselem or Universal like HRW.

    Support for human rights do not belong to the left or to the right, they are the very values which the West claims to have which makes them superior to for instance ISIS. The people who do not believe in them are the far right - the obvious example being the Nazis but basically those who believe in fascism and those who believe in authoritarians at the other end - extreme left as in Communist Russia.

    of course we now have the situation where the US is following extreme Israel down the far right road and hence we need to know what we are dealing with which I think you and your followers are showing quite well.

    http://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/1770/Isral-ferme-ses-portes-aux-organisations-internationales



    By who. The far right? That is like suggesting there is a radical left in Israel.

    There’s nothing Left in Zionism

    I get it Talon that you do not agree with The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    I accept that you do not agree with International Law or anything which was put into effect after WW2 to make sure we did not have the same situation again. I accept you are on the Far Right. My argument with you was because you were pretending you were non biased re the situation of Israel banning the Director of HRW in Israel. Now if you want to see the sort of 'bias' which will have pissed of Israel here is a real example

    HRW's Shakir: Democratic values deteriorating in Israel

    https://www.thenation.com/article/human-rights-watch-israel-settlements-bds/

    That and plenty more like it is the reason Israel is trying to suggest this man is an enemy of Israel and I guess to some extent he is just like to you any human rights groups looking for justice would be against your desires for the US.

    He criticises Israel when it goes against International Law and human rights. That is his job. Because Israel ignores International Law and must in order that she can take all of Palestine. Her occupation is illegal. Hence he is not on Israel's side as Israel is not on the side of International Law. Because the people under military rule for the past 50 years are subject to any manner of human rights violations and he speaks of that, as far as Israel is concerned he is against them. If Israel became a law abiding member of the International community however these criticisms would stop so that brings us to where we are now. The US following Israel possibly moving to the far right and fascist with all that that will bring. That is what the argument is about - not left or right within normal confines. In any case left/right are not very good ways to describe things. People are quite capable of being right on the economy but left on social issues or the opposite. Pretending to reach out to those in need is one of the main ways the far right manage to get those without on side blaming the other.


    I saw a headline on Haaratz today which said that Trump was blaming American Jews for the attacks on graveyards and what not. I do not subscribe to Haaratz but the Daily Mail of all places gave, a more diplomatic covering of it.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cials-anti-Semitic-threats-make-look-bad.html




    Then don't try to use it to prove your point of lack of bias. Someone who does not believe in human rights is not the person to ask whether said groups are impartial. Clearly by their own stance that is impossible.
    Given that they do not support human rights to expect them to say whether they are impartial suggest no knowledge of how research is done.

    Again, no, human rights are not neutral. It goes in strong against those who are harming people and taking away their rights through their superior power. It is not a might is right organisation as is the usual position of Israel supporters. It is about human values which have been accepted by the West apart from authoritative/fascist regimes.


    You are mistaken if you believe HRW are the only rights groups who have been thrown out of Israel. Read the rest of what I have written. HRW goes by its mandate which is to keep a watch on human rights abused. I have seen at Counter punch complaints about their bias towards Israel which looked like them reacting out of fear. Israel has done exceedingly well calling everyone who criticises her 'antisemetic' even to the extent of trying this out on the Britain's Labour party, Jews and non Jews alike because they now have a leader who is openly critical of the lack of rights of the Palestinian people. Israel has had people working through it's embassy influencing how our politicians vote and threatening those who are supporters of Palestinian Rights. Israel has long been against rights workers both Israeli and those from abroad.

    which again illustrates your non belief that human rights are Universal. You believe his defence of people means an agenda whereas it only means he believes that all people deserve a fair trail.

    A British resident of citizen who was held in Guantanamo apparently recently blew himself up for ISIS. It is unclear yet whether he was of that mind before his incarceration and torture at Guantanamo or whether that is what put him on that road. He also received I think £1,000,000 for his incarceration without trail. I knew that how I heard the UK reporting this would let me know how far down the road to the far right we have gone. Though no doubt there will have been the usual suspects muttering their usual, I was pleased that all I heard were people saying very strongly that in no way does that to them mean that he should not have been released from Guantanamo, nor do they think that means that he should not have received his £1,000,000. The money was due to him having been kept under inhuman conditions. Their suggestion was that where the UK fell short was in not keeping an eye on him after he was released. That is the way people who believe in the norms we have had since WW2 think regardless of political affiliation. That is the way people who believe in human rights believe. Human rights are not just for your friends or who you think is worth them. They are for everyone. That is what you are complaining about. To complain about human rights is to want authoritarianism/fascism.

    No. It certainly is not.

    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-for-rightwingers-who-love-to-play-the-victim

    The argument against the Frankfurt school who it is claimed are responsible for this 'cultural marxism' is used by those who argue against PC to the point that as long as it is Muslims any kind of incitement is acceptable to hate or even violence is fine with them....but it will not stay with Muslims. We have already seen how in the US it has included antisemitism. In the UK it was East Europeans in the main who were attacked though the hatred is supposed to be Muslims. Give up your believe in rights for one group of people and you give it up for everyone including yourself.

    These people also tend to be against social Justice. Both of these are positions of David Horowitz. Many use the fact that that many of the Frankfurt School were Jews as an argument both against Jews and against Israel due to Israel being the ethnic nationalist state they crave and believe 'Jews' have deprived them of, though of course the far right are now loving Israel believing they are going to get the same in the US - and no doubt deport all your Jews to Israel like European neo nazis who are now accepted as friends by Israel and how the US as well as Europe but the US is currently ahead through gamergate and so on towards it's fascist take over of the west.

    That is all this argument is about. The US supporting Israel which becomes more fascist by the day while the US moves to that position. - not the divisions in the US - the hatred of any who are not of their mind who they call 'the left' or 'liberals', Trumps encouragement of hatred towards both your justice system and your journalists, the categorising of 'rights' as PC brought on by some weird 'leftists' or leftists who believe in such perverse things as human rights and having a social conscience..

    However reading the Guardian article above makes everything much clearer and indeed how well the Muslims fit in with the meme.

    Well there you go. I admit I had not either until now but it would appear from that Guardian article that that is the base source. Makes sense how the US has been the last decades as well. I was just aware that those who complain about rights are the far right or hard right if you prefer or of a fascist disposition if you want to be undiplomatic.

    see above. I will tell you something though - letting go of the deliberate exploitation of 'cultural marxism' and 'Jews as a fifth column' this is about values. You do not have the value that every one has rights one day and give it up the next. My values have not changed in my life. You either have values or you do not. I have long believed that the people who talk about being PC are the people who only pretended to believe in rights. That is why it was great for them when the hard right became the prominent voice and they no longer felt they had to act decent - from there back to the 1930's.
     
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    Before I consider responding to your comments, gratuitous remarks and Far Left propaganda, would you care to point out where I stated "I did not realise it all boiled down to the proponents of cutural Marxism." in my post?

    How unbelievably dishonest and shameless of you to put words in my mouth and then post them as a quote.
     
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    No, I spent 4 hours replying to your drivel without calling it drivel. If all you can do is come out with personal insults then you are not worth any more of my time.

    If you did not say that then the reason will be that everything got muddled up for some reason several times. I believed you said that. If you did not it was a genuine mistake but given your foul mouth do not expect any further replies. I used to have you on ignore. I know why now.
     
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    thought they were just "political opponents". Just usin his own words here, folks.
     
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    That is the reason I rarely engage you, alexa. I cant, in good conscience, reply with one-liner to your long and winding posts, and one-liners is what I mostly have time for.

    Cheers :)
     
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    Israel should withdraw from the United Nations, then they have no basis on which to say anything they do is illegal, only worthy of invasion.
     

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