Israel's bombing of Gaza apartment buildings could be a war crime

Jordan is Palestine

 

Jordanians may object.

 

That the Palestinians turned down the crappy deal ..does not give Israel Title to any land.. Your claim that Israel owns the land is pure falsehood

 

You are entitled to your opinion.

 

Its not an opinion .. Your claim that the Palestinians turning down a crappy Israeli deal -- gave Israel ownership of some land is pure falsehood. Pure made up false nonsense on your part .. comprende

 

We disagree. My point has always been that the Palestinians would be better off today had they taken any one of the several land-for-peace offers put in front of them. I believe that is undeniable.
Having always chosen war, the Palestinians have forfeited their claim.

 

Good post. I disagree on one issue: there are Bedouin families who are no longer living as nomads. One example is the Erekat family, of Saeb-nine-thousand-years-old-Canaanite-Erekat fame, that is really a clan of the Al-Huwaitat Bedouin tribe from the Arabian Peninsula. Another example is the Tamimi family (Ahlam Tamimi, the Pizza Sbarro terrorist), from the Banu Tamim Bedouin tribe. Other Bedouins in Judea and Samaria are Jahalin and al-Kaabneh - off the top of my head, there are more. There are six tribal confederations in Gaza alone.

I found a source for tribes and clans in Palestine:
http://edocs.nps.edu/npspubs/institutional/newsletters/strategic insight/2008/robinsonSep08.pdf

 

In my opinion the so called Jews should be happy with the Land given to them by the UN. The great majority of them lives and thrives anyway in other countries. For instance, the USA is totally controlled by them, as Ariel Sharon some years ago announced:

It does not look good on them to be murdering the Pals and taking their land. Boy, if anyone tried to treat them the same way, all hell would break lose and we would have another WW around our necks!
But to see nothing, hear nothing and do nothing about their atrocities against the Pals isn't right either.
So, what can we do besides treading water?? If the big politicians have no solution nor guts, then we little pipsqueaks can only ask God to interfere, but He seems to be too busy already with Putin and the whole sharmoly over there!

 

Hey, it takes two to tango and likewise two to fight!!

 

They were quite happy until the Palestinians and Arab neighbors launched their first war in 1948.

 

Quote - What part of "Not Israel's Land" are you having trouble understanding ?
All of this quote.

re Jesus and land boundaries in 2022. Jesus' ministry was to only the Jewish people. And this is where he lived, was born, visited and died - in Jewish land.
Had the Gentile nations treated Jews in a decent manner we wouldn't be having this discussion today - the Turks, Syrians, Jordanians and Egyptians would have owned the Levant. But the Jews were driven out of their land, were badly treated and driven out of Gentile lands - BUT SOMEHOW HAVE NO RIGHT TO RETURN TO THEIR OWN LANDS.

 

Jews were called Palestinians in 1948. Arabs were just Arabs. The Arabs of Mandate Palestine didn't consider themselves different from the rest of the Arabs in MENA. I understand it's easier to write "Palestinians" instead of "Arabs in Mandate Palestine", but usage of this historically inaccurate term to describe the Arabs of the region at the time helps reinforcing false perceptions of Jews as colonizers of a land that already belonged to another people.

 

70% to 80% Jordanians are Palestinians... the Hashamites are minority.
They will not object.
I strongly believe that one day soon the Palestinians will take over the kingdom.

 

Yep, Arabs already got 90% of the original mandate Palestine and they shouldn't get any more.

 

Sorry mate .. your completely lost and spewing out nonsense. The Occupied Territories are not Israel's land ..

 

So suppose YOU are the one to figure out WHERE THE JEWS SHOULD GO in an imaginary win for Hamas.
Presumably this win is based upon Hamas having allies, ie Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, Syria, Russia or China. You know, the good guys,
And let's presume, while Hamas is wading through the ruble of a destroyed Israel, dead children everywhere, that no Israeli nuclear armed submarines are prowling the seas.

So, WHERE WOULD YOU SEND THE JEWS, GIVEN THAT NO OTHER NATION WANTS THEM.

 

You are posting incoherent nonsense.

"Where would you send the Jews" ?? Why are you asking me this .. The Jews have a Homeland called Israel ..

What does this raging nonsense have to do with the fact that the Occupied territories is not part of Israel and your lack of ability to understand this simple reality.

 

So let's understand something - the majority of Arabs on the West Bank and Gaza DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE JEW'S RIGHT TO LIVE IN ISRAEL.
Poll after poll say this, so too do many video interviews of Palestinians.
As long as these people do not accept Israel's right to exist then you are going to have GENERATIONS of violence - and no, the Jews are not going to have their throats cut as Arabs say.

 

Can't blame them now can we given how Israel has been acting .. slaughtering Children and innocent civilians .. stealing land. What do Abab thoughts on Jews have to do with the fact that the Occupied Territories is not Israel's land .. and your claim that it was is an absurd made up falsehood.

Who is to blame for this falsehood .. Pooh .. thats who .. Who is the one that "DO NOT RECOGNIZE" when their false claims have been outed.

 

It is amazing what anti-semetic liars the modern left is.

 

We have been through this same subject many times and always ended up like this... !!
So, let's leave them alone. They are busy anyway now taking in thousands more Jews from the Ukraine and Russia.

 

No, you have to go back to the beginning of the problem.
Jews lived in 'Palestine' basically for four or five thousand years.
Arabs arrived about 1200 years ago
Arabs lived in peace with Jews, sort of, but Jews were different and successful, and that was THE problem.
This wasn't 'Palestine' so much as the Ottoman Levant - it was 'owned' by the Turks from the early 1500's
Jews in the late 1800's started arriving in number, buying up land with top dollar, and improving it. This was the second problem.
After Turkey was defeated British took control
Riots against Jews began about 1920 - many Jews were murdered, and a few Arabs died in the fighting. All Jewish held land was purchased legally.
It was decided to split Palestine into Jewish, Arab and International areas.
Jews accepted getting half their land back, Arabs were opposed.
War began with the determination to kill all the Jews.
Arabs were happy when Jordan 'owned' the West Bank, and Syria 'owned' the Golan area and Egypt 'owned' Gaza. They even invited Hitler to occupy Palestine.
There is no Palestinian agreement that Jews should be allowed to live in Israel - it's 'From the river to the sea' - Jordan border to the Mediterranean.
As long as Palestinian Arabs enjoy international sympathy, particularly from Russia, there will be no deal with Israel.

 

Yah will make all things right in the end. Let's not think that we have any say in this, that would be egocentric

 

Holy macaroni - that is a completely different subject/topic. What the Jews were doing 5000 years ago has nothing to do with whether or not the Occupied Territory is Israel's land under current international statute . Israel does not own the land ... according to the authority who has say over the land .. as per the agreement by which Israel came into existence ... end of discussion .. you are 100% out of the ball park incorrect.

With respect to your other suggestion which is "should Israel have some right to the land on the basis of some Jews living in Canaan 5000 years ago" the answer is no for a number of reasons

1) unless you wish the US to give most of the US back to the Indians and the rest to Mexico .. No .. not going to happen .. nations will not agree to such a standard.

2) There were no Jews living in Canaan in 3000 BC .. because there were no such thing as Jews .. until after 500 BC .. "technically" but let us correct your error .. and call them Israelites .. the term used for Hebrew speaking people prior Babylon laying waste to the place.

With this correction .. Uncle David did not take Jerusalem from Canaanite control until ~ 1000 BC which is a long way from 5000 BC so wrong on that front by 2000 years. The kingdom only lasted a short period of time in any case.

Prior to that .. Jerusalem was Canaanite Land for 2000 years prior. Now fortunately many Palestinians have Canaanite heritage ... so I suppose you will be wanting to give the Land .. including Jerusalem to the Palestinians.

Now that is what you call a crucified position mate .. when you end up arguing against your own position


and the kingdom did not last long. .

Palestinians have Canaanite Roots ..

 

Jerusalem was owned by the Jebusites. It was David's prize. And David was a Jew who's ancestors hailed from Sumer/Akkad thousands of years before.
The Canaanites shifted to Lebanon - so they still have a home. Other groups vanished - Amalakites, Amalekites, Moabites etc.. Egyptians still live in Egypt. Arabs came out of Arabia and conquered the Middle East and Nth Africa. Many people have shifted AND SETTLED, not so the 'wandering Jew' who was denied to right to live in almost every nation he tried settling into. Someone said Jews were exiled over one hundred times. My family came out of Portugese exile, and faced troubles in England too.

So to ask the question again - WHERE WOULD GIFTEDONE HAVE THE JEWS LIVE? AND, WILL ISRAEL, A NUCLEAR ARMED NATION, AGREE TO THIS?