Israel's bombing of Gaza apartment buildings could be a war crime

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Should we arm the Palesitians to fight off aggression like we did Ukraine

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  1. ricmortis

    ricmortis Well-Known Member

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    Palestinians have no real problem killing Jews.
     
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    That is curious. You think the Israelis are the aggressors. This will never end until one side is eliminated. The hatred runs too deep.
     
  3. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "You think Israeli's are the aggressors" --- Aggressors in what way ... in what incident .... this is a blood feud ... both sides take turns back and forth .. and have been for 7 decades.

    What is curious .. is the question .. is it rhetorical or just uneducated .. or something else. Only a historical moron would not be able to find one incident whre Israeli was the aggressor .. so thats not it .. right .. and to prove this you will come up with one example .. so we can check that box off the list.

    and then state what incident you are referring to .. so I can figure out who was the aggressor in that instance .. in order to answer your curious question.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Laughably false nonsense - made up gibberish demonstrating a solid lack of understanding of the history of the region .. but no worries .. Lebanon is not Israel's land either


    the above nonsense question was answered the last time you asked it .... I don't care where some hypothetical Jew looking for a place to live goes to live .. and why would Israel need to agree in this senseless circle that has nothing to do with the fact that the Occupied Territories are not Israel's land ..
     
  5. Dayton3

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    Can you answer this:

    Exactly what land in the Middle East do you think belongs to Israel?
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Quote - "The Occupied Territories, which include the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, are subject to the jurisdiction
    of Israel and the Palestinian Authority (PA), with the division of responsibilities overlapping in much of the territory. The PA Basic Law,
    which serves as an interim constitution, establishes Islam as the official religion, but calls for respect of “all other divine religions.”

    And realistically, no-one doubts that.
    WHO WOULD WANT TO LIVE IN THE GAZA STRIP?
    Eventually the Two State solution will give Arabs something they didn't have before WW2 - jurisdiction over their own territory
    and security for Israel.
    You say that you 'don't care' where Jews live, but you care about them living in the Occupied Territories ??????
    Actually, agreeing on where Jews come from is a big part of the issue - and Jews certainly don't come from New York.

    And what people occupy Lebanon today, Arabs?
     
  7. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your claim that the Canaanites all moved to lebanon is ridiculous made-up nonsense .. clearly demonstrating your lack of understanding of the historical ethnic demographic of the Region.

    The Palestinians descend from the Canaanites


    I don't care where a Jew lives any more than a Scot .. or an Ethiopian .. nor do I care about them living in the Occupied Territories if they so desire and can find a place for rent. This has nothing to do with the fact that the Occupied territories are not Israel's land .. and that some Jew comes from Russia is irrelevant.

    Palestinians descend from the Canaanites .. so by your argument it is their historical land.
     
  8. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    DNA fun fact:

    "Haplogroup K" is the origin of Palestinians, Ashkenazi Jews and Kurds.
     
  9. Dayton3

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    1)Why not?
    2) Why are you claiming the Canadians have something to do with the Palestinians?
     
  10. Poohbear

    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You will find Canaanites as the ancestral people of an area today called Lebanon, and overrun with Arabs.
    I do care where the Jew comes from - it's CENTRAL to the issue of who invaded Israel, Jew or Arab?
     
  11. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Canaanites in Lebanon" - Yup .. and a whole lot of other territory in the Levant including Palestine and Jerusalem .. an ancient Canaanite town - long before David took the city.

    "where Jew come from" - came from many places .. nomadic tribes .. hanging with them arabs .. and as you say .. they over-run the place .. had a small kingdom for a short period of time.. but we don't se no Jews for another 500 years .. no such thing of yet .. although a few goat herders from the area around Jerusalem may have joined up with the Israelites at some point .. the town maintained much of the previous inhabitants and religious customs ... child sacrifice .. all that good stuff those folks were into at the time

    but yes .. them Palestinians have a long history in the place .. decended from the Canaanites and all .. back when God Zedek was patron God of the town .. Good the priesthood was maintained in any case .. that of AdoniZedek if memory serves .. last PriestKing of Jerusalem

    sup Pooh .. where the Jew come from ? .. Little tiny spot known as the kingdom of Judah Jerusalem down to beersheba .. go look on the map mate ... tell me what you see .. like them boundaries har har har hee :)
     
  12. Giftedone

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    "Canadians and Palestinians" - Must have been those voices mate .. not sure why you associate with me though .. no idea what on earth you are talking about
     
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    Might be fun if you had a point more specific than Humans from near east spread their seed writ large . I do like where you are going though .. looks like them Palestinians and Jews are relatives... they should kiss .. make up .. and share the land .. as God intended his people to do.
     
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    so the Canadians have nothing to do with the Palestinians?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No clue what you are talking about mate .. what do Canadians having something to do with Palestinians - have to do with Israel commiting war crimes in Palestine ? Do you think was Canadians put the Israeli's up to it or something .. quite the conspiracy theory you got going on..
     
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    All Jews share one common ancestry through migrants from Sumer/Akkad in Bronze Age times.
    Some Jews of the Cohen line trace their ancestry to Aaron, Moses' brother - via DNA genetic haplotype testing.
    Several million Jews went into exile 2nd Century AD and began returning in the late 1800's, though some Jews remained in Palestine for this period.
    'Palestine' is the name given to this region by the Romans, an insult to the Jews. Meaning land of the Phillistines (same people who arrived in Moses' day)
    The Jews, Druze, Christians, Arabs, Kurds, Ethiopians etc who live in Israel today are the true Palestinians.
    This land is one tenth of one percent of all the land occupied by Arabs today - and Arabs have lost their minds over the Jews returning and occupying part of it.
    The Gazans rejected an opportunity to be a part of this modern, liberal, democratic state in the midst of Arab nations.

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    This in today's JPost.com
    Palestinian rejectionism, glorification of terrorism is stopping peace - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)

    … the Palestinian Authority upped its game. To start, it openly celebrated the 1929 Hebron massacre in which mobs of Arabs, incited by rumors that the Jews were “destroying al-Aqsa,” mass raped, pillaged and ethnically cleansed the Jewish population of Hebron – murdering 67 Jews and injuring dozens.

    Only days after the PA praised this attack, President Mahmoud Abbas refused to condemn the 1972 Munich massacre during a speech in Germany… PA’s official TV channel ran a series of segments celebrating the primary instigators of the Hebron massacre with a song praising them.

    “The homeland will never forget its revolutionaries,” reads a part of the lyrics. The PA segment also expressed that the massacre was a “basic part of our culture” and an expression of Palestinian “national identity.” A second segment praising the massacre and the murderers stated “glory and eternity to our people’s pure martyrs.”

    The same day, Fatah, Abbas’s political party, shared a post on its social media praising the Hebron massacre: “Ninety-two years since the execution of the heroes of the al-Buraq Rebellion.” If that’s not enough, that same week, the PA’s official newspaper, Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, also published an article glorifying the murderers.

    … actively celebrating terrorism and ethnic cleansing that occurred long before the establishment of the State of Israel. Palestinian leaders have been quick to claim to the West that the problem today is the occupation of the West Bank in 1967 by Israel – and yet here they are referring to mass murderers of Jews in 1929 as “heroes” and an expression of Palestinian “national identity.”

    Such actions prove that the core issue isn’t occupation, but Palestinian rejectionism and terrorism against the indigenous people of the land – the Jews. The Palestinian government’s embrace of the Hebron massacre flies in the face of the presumption by many, disproportionately on the political Left, who claim that occupation is the primary motivator for terrorism today.

    However problematic occupation is, or however unhelpful settlements are, Palestinian rejectionism is the problem that prevents a long-term solution. It is for this reason the Palestinian celebration of pre-’48 terror attacks garners almost no media coverage. After all, it doesn’t fit the narrative.
     
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    Good grief you need to quit pretending to have historical aptitude .. just making up stories as you go ..cherry picking a historical detail here and there in hopes of sounding authentic.

    "Sumer/Akkad" - Bronze Age - 3000 BC - Jews - common ancestry.

    What purile nonsense .. we all have common ancestry to Neanderthals if you go back far enough .. what does this have to do with Canaan ?
    To claim that some Jew can trace lineage back to some specific person living 3000 BC is absurd ridiculous falsehood on steroids -- sure you can find general genetic relationships with peoples way back when .. as all humans can. .. completely pointless to your desperate desire to claim Jewish heritage in the land of Canaan .. especially over that of the Palestinians who have close genetic lineage to canaanite peoples .. living throughout the levant .. long before the Israelites showed up under David .. never mind the Jews

    Sumer/Akkad is not Canaan .. legend has it that Abe wandered over to Cannan from Ur .. which was in sumer .. but that was around 1800 BC .. not 3000 and Abe wasn't a Jew .. Jews don't come along for another 1300 years.

    Once again you are trapped by your own argument .. Palestinians having much more of a historic claim to the land than the Jews.. Speaking of which .. Judah was an area much smaller than today ... need to restore Israel to the borders of Judah .. and even that is if the Palestinians assent to it .. as after all .. they were there long before the Jews .. heh heh :)
     
  19. Jack Hays

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    Haplogroup K, from which both Palestinians and Ashkenazi Jews descend, goes back about 15,000 years.
     
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    Which furthers point that it is silly nonsense to claim Jews have some historical right to Canaanite land over that of Palestinians .. elaborated on in previous post.
     
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    How about that the Jews kicked their ass in war? The most important claim of all.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why is it the most important claim - important to what ? .. and who's ass was kicked in war by the Jews .. and when ?

    No idea what you are trying to express mate
     
  23. Jack Hays

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    I have never made an ethnic-based argument.
     
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    Israel (the Jews) have kicked the asses of the Muslims (Palestinians) in every war they've ever fought. If you knew anything of history you would know that.

    I know the UN says you can't expand territoriality through military conquest but that makes no practical sense.
     
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    You are the one who has consistently demonstrated a lack of historical knowledge and understanding -- no need to be projecting your failings onto me mate.

    The question was which war - thanks for the clarification .. thought you may have been talking 2000 BC and have been on topic .. recent wars have no bearing on the conversation you jumped into .. but thanks for playing .. and we don't care about what your feelings on the UN are .. that has no bearing either.
     

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