Israel's bombing of Gaza apartment buildings could be a war crime

No bearing? Does London belong to the English? Do the French own Paris? (wont be long as it could be a Muslim city, but I digress)
Israelis are Palestinian.
Jewish Palestinians have been in Israel since the late Bronze Age. Arab Palestinians since Mediaeval times.
Who has priority?
We know every nation has persecuted Jews, but if Arabs went back to Arabia, would they be persecuted?

 

There are good and bad people on both sides, but to paint Israeli as slaughtering Palestinians when the Palestinians are attempting to do the same exact thing to Israelis daily is like the pot calling the kettle black.

 

Of course you can steal something from someone else .. even if it does not belong to them. Hopelessly lost once again

 

"Jewish Palestinians" - did not exist in the Bronge age mate .. nor did Jews .. which is why there were not Jewish Palestinians LOL

"Who has Priority" - The Palestinians living on the land have priority .... that's a no brainer .. as per the same agreement by which Israel got some land.

This is a Crucified position mate .. no resurrection from the dead gonna happen

 

So you've never seen the "High Chapparal" episode I refer to in order to illustrate these arguments?

 

Dude .. we are talking war crimes comitted by Israel .. not old american western sitcoms

 

ca 1705.
Abraham in Canaan = Jew in Palestine.
Arab = Arabian from Arabian Penninsula

 

So you've never seen it which means you don't get the point made in it.

The High Chaparral was NOT a sit com.

 

Quote - Israel commits war crimes
Ukraine is committing war crimes, right now., Let's not wait for Hamas to send another 4,300 rockets at
Israel for us to condemn Israel, why not condemn Ukraine?

Q - How do you tell a racist, antisemite?
A - Find them condemning Israel for what everyone else does on a routine basis. .

 

I have seen High Chaparral - but, the thread is about Israeli War Crimes .. not some cheezy western sitcom from decades ago .. or what ever you wish to call it.. When you want to warp out of fantasy land and say something relevant to the topic ... be sure to share

 

sit coms are not an hour long.

In the last season of High Chaparral, they had an episode where a group of Army soldiers were sent to be based briefly at the ranch.

The unit had a very high strung and objectionable commander.

Buck Cannon asked one of the Army officers how they felt having the guy in command.

He replied "No worse than I feel living among a group of thieves"

Buck replied indignantly "My brother bought this ranch!"

The officer asked "Who did he buy it from?"

But replied "The Spanish".

The officer then asked "Did the Spanish buy it from Apache?

When Buck hesitated and did not answer the officer directed the same question to Wind, the part Indian ranch hand.

Wind replied "I never saw a bill of sale. But then again, the Apache didn't buy it from the Navaho either".

That pretty much says it all.

 

Thats some nice reminiscing mate .. Now what about Rotten Ronnie .. what do you think he would have to say about Israeli war Crimes .. since we going back to the future

 

Well, Reagan always stood pretty closely by Israel so I assume that he didn't have many problems with those claims

 

Agree on that one ... the war crimes Reagan was committing were far worse than Israel at the time .. so would be hypocritical to call out Israel for what he was guilty ten-fold.

 

Another incoherent rant about comparing Israel war crimes to Ukraine followed with a backhanded attempt to label folks that criticize Israeli atrocities and war crimes as "Antisemite" Including those nasty Israeli Pilots that refused to continue harming innocent civilians Raging Anti Semites !!! .. cause they conflict with the Pooh perspective .. .

Poor Pooh .. come now .. just because your position was crucified -- and them Palestinians turned out to be Canaanites .. don't mean there is an Anti Semite conspiracy afoot.

 

Dear Death,
Although I am a Christian from Belgium, I will not stop expressing my views against the Palestinian wall of lies.
Unlike many here on the forum, I have visited the Middle East several times and learned closely how one side ( Israel ) strives for peace and faces terrorism and an existential threat,
while the other side ( Arab Palestinians ) only commits acts of terrorism and teaches its children to hate others.
My agenda is based on facts... not like the Muslim Jihad hatred propadanda.

 

No, Arabs are not Canaanites.
But Jews are Palestinians.
And I like what Golda Meir said about the killing of children.

 

I haven't checked into the Arab History - but am quite sure you haven't either .. so write that comment off to made up on the spot nonsense .. but it matters not as is not relevant to the fact the Occupied Territories are not Israel's land.

 

Correct - this, "The Occupied Territories, which include the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, are subject to the
jurisdiction of Israel and the Palestinian Authority (PA), with the division of responsibilities overlapping in much of the territory."

Israel and The Occupied Territories - The Occupied Territories - United States Department of State

Nor does Israel WANT to be in the 'occupied territories.'
This becomes a security issue.
Israel faces a 'ring of fire' with Lebanon (150,000 rockets aimed at Israel), Syria (never signed a peace treaty and has Hezbollah, ISIS, Islamic Jihad, Al Quaeda, Iran and Russia on its border) The West Bank (with a population who would kill any Fatah leader who signs off on the Jews 'occupying' Israel) and Gaza (fanatic Hamas and Islamic Jihad.)
So any 'occupation' in West Bank is security only (save for some settlements which Israel will deal with if Abbas does a deal (see above for what will happen) and Israel does not occupy Gaza. Israel 'ocupies' the Golan, but even here its complicated because there are many ancient Jewish towns in the Golan, and Israel offered 'land for peace' with Syria, which was rejected.
Why not just leave the West Bank? You could have Iran one street away from you, or Islamic Jihad etc.. More likely Hamas will soon rule the West Bank - and you will have to put security fences right through your suburbs.

So, do a deal, says Israel, and there's land for peace. No peace? Okay, no land.

 

Glad you finally figured out that the Occupied Territories are not Israels land.

Obviously Israel does want to be there they keep stealing land .. further it is the zionist dream to steal the "Promised Land"

"Land for Peace" -- what inane gibberish .. it is not Israel's land to trade .. but if they would stop stealing land and attacking the people on that land .. perhaps there would be Peace

 

Of course, in any situation there will be elements who push their own agenda, and Jewish settlers are no different. A pox on them all I say. Yes, Samaria and Judaea WERE once Jewish, but no to further settlements, and the removal of others. It effects the whole world. Removal of settlements should be a stipulation of any American support for Israel.
Settlers are not popular in Israel, or America, or Europe, or the Middle East. Many have had their homes demolished, and they were removed from Gaza by the IDF. Yes, there are a couple of quite large Jewish cities in the West Bank, but under the Camp David accords Palestine was offered compensation land within Israel. I think the figure was that a future West Bank govt would get about 98% of their land. For Gaza the offer was a lot more generous - the right to expand into the booming Negeve (where Israel is beginning to farm with imported soil and desal or brackish water - amazing really - going to go see it next year!)

But look at a map of how the 'West Bank' winds itself through some Israeli suburbs and you feel the terror of what a Hamas ruled, Iran occupied state of West Bank could (and will, as promised) do to Israel.

 

Israel needs to be reigned in .. cease the war crimes in Palestine and its attacks against Syria and Iran .. or one of these days .. they gonna hit back.

 

So answer me - we 'reign in' Israel, but do we 'reign in' ever-encroaching Iran, plus Hezbollah's 150,000 missiles, plus Hamas in its promise to destroy Israel?
No.

Israel is in the same situation as Ukraine - maybe we ought to reign in Ukraine too, after all, Ukraine is just another province of Russia, as Israel is just another province of the Arab empire.

 

MGB I disagree when your references do not clearly differentiate terrorists from civilians. That is all.

Now I know you are Belgian I appreciate the **** they have caused in your country. Got it.

Here is my way of saying I appreciate what you are saying:

 

Ukrainians have not used their apartments to shoot from, store weapons. To compare Ukrainians to Palestinians is bullshit.

In fact Ukraine deals with the Russian Empire no different than Israel does the Muslim Empire if we want to use analogies.

Ukraine like Israel is a state Russia and the Arab world still won't acknowledge and feel are inferior to them and should be a subordinate lesser inferior people within their empire.

In fact Israel was one of the first countries to recognize Ukraine and both countries long before this war reconciled the history of WW2 and Israel was one of Ukraine's most important allies. It can not come right out and condemn Putin because of the politics it must play in Syria with Russia however Syria which backs the PA and Hamas supports Russia not Ukraine. The PA and Hamas openly support Russia not Ukraine.

Palestinian is a word created in 1967 by Arafat when he was expelled from Jordan after the failed Black Sabbath uprising by him failed to take over Jordan and kill Hussein. Up until then Arafat ridiculed the concept of a Palestinian being a separate national identity. He only reinvented the word after he failed to seize Jordan. Palestine was simply a geographic term used for the area of bits of Syria, Lebanon, Israel Jordan and the West Bank. It was never a country or state. In fact 90% of it was illegally turned into a Jewish free Palestinian state of Jordan by the British in direct violation of the mandate they were given by the League of Nations to asist set up two states, one Jewish and one Muslim in that area. The King of Jordan was placed there by the British to placate Faisal just as Faisal's other son was placed as King of Iraq by the British.

They paid back Faisal because the night before Faisal was to sign an agreement with Weitzman representing the Jews of Palestine for two separate nations, the French lied to Faisal and said the Jews were planning to break the agreement. Faisal bought the lie and did not sign the agreement the very next day and on that very same day, the French arrested Faisal in Damascus then unilaterally created French puppet states in Lebanon and Syria and had the British then step in, tell Faisal they would create two states for his sons, prevent a Jewish state and also promise him a future state which is now Saudi Arabia.

The British and French sabotaged Muslims and Jews living peacefully side by side fearing with Jewish help Muslims would not need British and French help and interfere with their colonial needs to get the oil from the area. Simple as that.

Muslims who bought into the French and British colonials also bought in to the Nazis as well during World War Two where Egypt, Iraq and Syria turned themselves into immitation Nazi states. Ther mukhbarat were designed base don the Gestapo. To this day they goose step, use the same dress uniforms as the Nazis did and their helmets.

The so called originators of Palestinian nationalism didn't want a Palestinian state. The Mufti of Jerusalem who represented them and lived in a confiscated Jewish home in Berlin as a guest of Hitler during WW2 championed wiping out Jews, not much else. He felt he had a religious duty to wipe out Jews not build a Palestinian nation. So called Palestinians were not in his mind a nationality-they were Muslims and all Muslins would have a caliphate in all Muslim countries, not a separate nation.

The people on this and other threads have zero clue as to what actual Palestinian nationalism started as or that Arafat was an Egyptian not a Palestinian and the only reason he became the so called leader after the Mufti died was because he was a drug lord smuggling caravans of opium and hashhish from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan to Marseilles, Frence and on to New York and so h ad connections in all these countries and needed to assure his caravans could keep operating. He had open disdain for Palestinians like many Egyptians did and took as much money as he could before his death he claimed was being used to feed and house Palestinians and placed it in Swiss and French bank accounts. He was protected by the French MI6 and Russian KGB. Arafat was a closeted homosexual who had a Stasni East German body guard "lover" and was compromised for that reason by the French and Russians who both used him to get contracts to sell chemicals, weapons and other services across the Middle East.

Palestinian nationalism is fiction. The people of the West Bank had full and automatic right to Palestinian citizenship in the Palestinian Kingdom of Hashemite Jordan as it is still referred to on its givernment seals.

Those who chose not to become Jordanians were people living on the West Bank prior to 1967 who came there, were not born there and so were not considered entitled to citizenship in Jordan. After 1967, anyone on the West Bank who was not a Jordanian suddenly because of the failed uprising by Arafat could no longer be trusted by Hussein and he was only to happy to hand back administration of the West Bnak to Israel. To this day Jordan does not want anyone living on the West Bank in Jordan.

Most Palestinians today are NOT and were never descended from people born in Palestine or the West Bank. They are Egyptians, Jordanians. Iraqis, Syrians, other Muslims who went to the Wewst Bank to work and stayed. In fact the private land owned by so called Muslim Palestinians was sold over and over again to different people coming into this area in real estate scams causing absolute chaos and forcingArafat to blow up the land titles office in the West Bank to hide extent of fraudulent Palestinian titles and how most people now on the land were squatters and not Palestinians but people who came there in the 60's.

This is why today's definition of a Palestinian by the PA is anyone NOT Jewish who is Muslim and simply self identifies as Palestinian. They do not have to be born on the West Bank or even descended from someone born on the West Bank that was genuinely displaced by the war to create Israel in 1949. Its a fictitious identity.

As for the Gaza strip, it was created by the Palestinian hating Nasser of Egypt as an open air prison for Palestinians because he did not want them in Egypt. Syria, Lebanon, created prisons they called refugee camps claiming this would be a reminder to the world Palestinians would be left homeless until Israel was disbanded. They would not take them in as citizens as they could have and most asked for. They refused.

The excuse of using them as a "political reminder" is absolute bullshit. The fact is the Muslim world of the Middle East hates Palestinians as much as they do Jews and it was not simply because of losing a war with Israel. That dislike and distrust went on centuries before Jews were blamed for it.