Jan 6 Sham Hearings a Ratings BUST for Big Networks

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  1. Xyce

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    The National Guard is part of the U.S. military. Yes, I am glad you can come to that realization, considering that you implied that it was not part of the military:

    And you responded that way to this post of mine:

    So, maybe third time's the charm. Let me ask the same question for the third time:

    What was your opinion when Senator Tom Cotton was asking that the military be brought in to suppress the BLM riots that cost about $2 billion in damages, went on for months, ended with over two dozen people dead, and over 2,000 police officers injured, considering that a lot of people on your side did not like that idea very much?
     
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    When everything he said became true...I think people are kind of done with Brandon as such the hate porn of Trump is about done. It's a low ratings bust.
     
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    1:30 p.m.
    On the steps on the backside of the Capitol, protesters overcome the police, who run back into the building. Protesters watching from the sidelines cheer as a mob breaks through the final police barricades.
    Shortly after 2 p.m.
    Protesters break windows and climb into the Capitol. They open doors for others to follow.
    (I guess in between looking at their phones)
    2:24 p.m.
    Trump tweets: "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution. "He continues with more baseless claims about a fraudulent election.
    2:38 p.m.
    Trump tweets again, calling for support of the Capitol Police and law enforcement. He urges people to "stay peaceful." Well over an hour after the violence began.
    3:11 p.m.
    Rep. Mike Gallagher, R-Wis., tweets a video while sheltering in his office, saying that this was the cost of telling people they could overturn the election.
    "Mr. President, you have got to stop this. You are the only person who can call this off. Call it off," Gallagher implores. "The election is over. Call it off."
    3:36 p.m.
    More than two hours after protesters first breached the Capitol grounds, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany tweets that Trump has ordered the National Guard to the Capitol. (I thought he couldn't do that???)
    4:17 p.m.
    Trump does not go on TV. Instead, he tweets a video talking to his supporters inside the Capitol.
    "I know your pain. I know your hurt," he begins. "We love you. You're very special. You've seen what happens. You've seen the way others are treated. ... I know how you feel, but go home, and go home in peace."


    Around the same time, Maryland and Virginia send National Guard and state troopers to the District of Columbia.
    6:01 p.m.

    Trump tweets again.

    "These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!"


    Why not it was a "Peaceful Protest"
    According to a 1949 executive order signed by President Harry Truman, command of the D.C National Guard is delegated to the Secretary of Defense. (who is subject to the President of the United States)
    But the Washington Post said that pursuant to the delegation order, Defense Secretary Miller made the decision to deploy the D.C. National Guard. Miller reportedly “discussed the situation with” Vice President Mike Pence, though it’s not clear what the circumstances of that were.
    I'm with you, I hope they clear this up.
     
  4. LangleyMan

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    Unless the President takes control of a state's national guard, the governor is in charge. There is a long history of governors using their national guard to maintain order, hence my comment about using a state's national guard rather than regular forces.
     
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    Maybe 'cause folks have already made up their minds.
     
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    Yes we all remember the stories of Dugout Donny.

    When the left "did IT", it wasn't to change how we've been goverened since the founding. When the rithe "did IT", it was to over throw and election a keep a defeated man in the White House.
     
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    About voting him in again in 2024? Maybe.
     
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    1:30 p.m.... (actually 1:25) let me help you out on this lie... This is when the Capitol Police started lobbing flashbangs into the PEACHFUL crowd and spraying PEACEFUL people in the faces with pepper spray... throw in the Capitol Police beating the people with their fist and then..... ""On the steps on the backside of the Capitol, protesters overcome the police, who run back into the building. Protesters watching from the sidelines cheer as a mob breaks through the final police barricades."".
    Now it makes more sense..

    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1421942908954062853

    https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/...d-jan-6-crowd-by-firing-flash-bangs-tear-gas/

    [​IMG]
     
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    Obviously you didn't because I had to remind you. Why is it OK to try and storm the White House and attack the President but not the Capitol in your view? Why is one a big thing the other not and in fact something to make light of? And yes it was to run Trump out changing government as much as was riot at the Capitol.
     
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    Can you not read? You are not answering the question.

    Let me ask the question a fourth, and this time I'll increase the font size. Maybe that will help you out.

    What was your opinion when Senator Tom Cotton was asking that the military be brought in to suppress the BLM riots that cost about $2 billion in damages, went on for months, ended with over two dozen people dead, and over 2,000 police officers injured, despite the fact that a lot of people on your side did not like that idea very much?
     
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    Not only were they making light of the rioting at the White House, they were laughing that the rioting was so bad that they had to move Trump, the President of the United States, to a more-secure location in the White House. These people, these Democrats, are plain-as-day hypocrites.
     
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    I've given sources on this subject. In the DC National Guard vs. state national guards:

    "The National Guard is part of the U.S. military but is unusual because it is controlled by both state and federal leaders.

    Most of the time, state National Guards are commanded by governors. However, presidents have the authority to call them into service to respond to hurricanes, bolster border security, and assist in overseas military operations."

    https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/who-controls-the-national-guard/

    "States are free to employ their National Guard forces under state control for state purposes and at state expense as provided in the state's constitution and statutes. In doing so, governors, as commanders-in-chief, can directly access and utilize the Guard's federally assigned aircraft, vehicles and other equipment so long as the federal government is reimbursed for the use of fungible equipment and supplies such as fuel, food stocks, etc. This is the authority under which governors activate and deploy National Guard forces in response to natural disasters. It is also the authority under which governors deploy National Guard forces in response to man-made emergencies such as riots and civil unrest, or terrorist attacks."

    https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/National_Guard_of_the_United_States

    The DC Metro Police:

    "Under the District of Columbia Home Rule Act, whenever the President of the United States determines that special conditions of an emergency nature exist which require the use of the Metropolitan Police for Federal purposes, the president may direct the Mayor to provide, and the Mayor shall provide, such services of the Metropolitan Police force for up to 48 hours. During longer periods of time, the President must provide to Congress in writing his or her reasons for continuing control of the MPD. This control can be extended at any time beyond 30 days if either the emergency continues or if Congress passes a law ordering it. During this nature of emergency, the MPD is considered a federal law enforcement agency."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Police_Department_of_the_District_of_Columbia
    Doesn't apply to national guard units.
    Irrelevant. No, I'm not saying they didn't know. Hell, a lot of us were watching it all on tv.
    Trump can't hide behind the DC mayor. He failed to protect the Capitol. Disgraceful.
     
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    I count three times as I said. The first two didn't work three was even more a long shot. The rioters were there on their own and not listening to Trump.



    The SecArmy who issues the order. The SecDef is only in consultation. The request go to the SecArmy, not SecDef not the White House. He issues the order.

    3:04 p.m.: Miller “provides verbal approval of the full activation of DCNG (1100 total) in support of the MPD,” according to the Pentagon. In response, [SecArmy] McCarthy immediately directs the D.C. National Guard “to initiate movement and full mobilization.” That means the D.C. guard members helping with traffic and crowd control are redeployed to support the Metropolitan Police Department at the Capitol, and the entire D.C. guard begins full
    https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/timeline-of-national-guard-deployment-to-capitol/

    Not the President not the VP. Pence had no authority in the matter and anyone acting on anything from him would have done so illegally and unconstitutionally and military officer following an order given by him would be courts-marital and sent to prison.
     
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    Were talking about the attack on the Capitol; you changed the subject, you didn't remind me.

    I think they are both "big things", but they are different kinds of cirme. One was a demonstration in protest of his handling the George Floyd incident.
    The other was to overturn a free and fair election at tRumps bequest.
     
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    You just can't be this clueless. If you can't figure out the difference between using state national guard and regular armed forces, you're not up to carrying on this duscussion.
     
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    You said that the National Guard is not the military. You said that. Do you want me to find the post in which you said that for you and cite it again? When I asked you what your opinion was when Senator Tom Cotton asked that the military be brought in to suppress the BLM riots that cost about $2 billion in damages, went on for months, ended with over two dozen people dead, and over 2,000 police officers injured, despite the fact that a lot of people on your side did not like that idea very much, you said that we should not use the military; rather we should use the National Guard, thus implying that the National Guard is not the military, and, therefore, we should not have used the military. Since, it appears, you now know that the National Guard is a part of the military, what was your opinion when Senator Tom Cotton was asking that the military be brought in to suppress the BLM riots that cost about $2 billion in damages, went on for months, ended with over two dozen people dead, and over 2,000 police officers injured, despite the fact that a lot of people on your side did not like that idea very much? For the fifth time.
     
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    Wrong. The President does control the DC National Guard.

    https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/
     
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    I told you I thought the President should federalize state national guards before choosing to use regular army units.
     
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    No, you said:

    Thus, you were implying that the National Guard is not the military, and that is why you apparently were not for Senator Tom Cotton's proposal to send in the military, even though, in the article, if you read it (and I don't believe you did), Senator Cotton actually mentions using the National Guard in the context of his argument that the military should be deployed. Now that you know that the National Guard is a part of the military, for the sixth time, what was your opinion when Senator Tom Cotton was asking that the military be brought in to suppress the BLM riots that cost about $2 billion in damages, went on for months, ended with over two dozen people dead, and over 2,000 police officers injured, despite the fact that a lot of people on your side did not like that idea very much?
     
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    More Trump Big Lie. :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:
     
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    Trump commands the DC National Guard.
     
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    How many times do I have to tell you that I think we should avoid sending regular army forces?
     
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    No one mentioned "regular army forces." No one said that. You are arguing against a straw man. Since the National Guard is a part of the military, what was your opinion when Senator Tom Cotton, citing the National Guard as an example, was asking that the military be brought in to suppress the BLM riots that cost about $2 billion in damages, went on for months, ended with over two dozen people dead, and over 2,000 police officers injured, despite the fact that a lot of people on your side did not like that idea very much?
     
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    The nearly 60% who think Trump should be prosecuted?
     
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    What's with you, anyway?

    I explained that I thought it would be better to use national guard forces.
     

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