Jesus does love football more than stopping poverty and war.

Where does the bible say that? How do they arrive at that conclusion? Anytime the bible says something inane we chalk it up to an allegory to which any meaning at all can be assigned.

And god made the universe in 6 days. But those are in God days, you know, like dog years.

 

Those who claim they could have done a better job than God usually have no understanding of how the universe works. Hence the delusion of being able to do a better job.

 

They automatically assume the purpose of life is never to suffer as well.

 

Probably never existed. The cult began like a mystery religion, Jesus himself like any other mythical figure. It's just that the myths written to place that character into a pseudo-historical context came to be preserved and eventually taken seriously and literally. Historically there is nothing to indicate even so much as a dead cult leader. Jesus was a Jewish Hercules, complete with similar demigod nature. There were many such characters at the time; Jesus was actually a latecomer among them. But the others have been largely forgotten, snuffed out by the later jealous domination of Christianity and Islam.

 

You have a weird view of even in Christianity who Jesus is supposed to be. Jesus is not "the father" nor "the spirit" of God. At no time, ever, in the Bible did he ever tell anyone to pray to him. Never said "pray to me and I will help you out." In fact, he said EXACTLY how to pray and it was to "the father," not to the son - him.

Where do you get that said he will allow or disallow anything, or even that he could if he wanted to?

The Jesus story is complex but also simple. It was in an error where people stayed right with God by sacrifices to God - literally killing animals for God. (Of course, I'm fairly confident this REALLY was killing animals for the priests to later eat.) The Jesus story is on the notion of sacrificial killing to be A-OK with God, God created his own son and then sacrificed his own son as a sacrifice to make everyone A-OK with God. To "atone" for everything bad anyone ever did or will do that offends God. From this, then all the old rules were gone and only 2 rules. Love each other and the reason you should do so is because you love God and accordingly would do what he said - love each other.

If a person wanted to know more detail of what that meant? Read Jesus Sermon on the Mound, the Beatitudes.

NOTHING in that has Jesus then or now having anything to do with war, poverty or any other worldly suffering. What Jesus is - only is - is your defense lawyer when you die - because no matter what you did, all you have to do is say I believe in you to God - and BINGO - you're in.

NO other religion is so easy or even comes close. That is why it became so popular so fast as it also said all people are equal in the eyes of God - not just Jews - and that was all an entirely new concept. It was not a religion forced upon anyone. Rather, people suffered terribly if discovered to be Christians.

However, a careful reading does say all do not have the same judgment even without any hell. How great will your eternal existence be? Well, that depends how you did in the test of life on following the rule of loving others and in following the guidelines of the Beatitudes (Bless are the poor, blessed are the meak) plus others such as "turn the other cheek." The more of that stuff you did and the less bad stuff you did, the better your eternity will be.

In short, your message is just contempt of Christians themselves as it has nothing to do one way or the other with the Biblical Jesus.

Why is it that everyone who isn't a Christian tends to declare 1.) They know what being a Christian means, 2.) they know more about being a Christian than Christians do and 3.) throw smears and sneers at Christian who never did anything to the attacker whatsoever.

But tell us, what did "Christians" do so terrible to you? Did a group of Christians torture you? Stole all your money? Cut off one of your hands for stealing? Exactly what it is that Christians ever did to you to so intensely dislike them?

 

Answer me this?

 

There are 2 kinds of atheists:
1. Those who see no reason to believe there is a god or gods so therefore do not, and with that have no reason to agree or disagree with anyone about whether there is or is not a god or gods.
2. Those who claim they know there is no god or gods with certainty, and proactively declare everyone who does not agree is a fool.

I'm in category 1. Your messages place you is #2.

The other measure is not religious/spiritual/metaphysical, but interpersonal. To that end I can truthful say among the finest people I've known in my life are Christians. For this reason I will defend Christians against what I see as unjustified bigoted attacks.

 

It's extreme liberalism which has brought us to where we are, because part of the human condition is to 'push the envelope' (in the modern parlance), therefore extremism will always beget further extremism.

 

Your free will here will lead to the extinction of the Christians in the USA. Let me say it this way: If I myself would be god and had to hear day by day by day by ... so many Atheists of the English speaking world always cry the same prayer "let the Christians not exist any longer so I'm able to be happy" ... when would my patience be exhausted and I would close my ears or kill all mankind? In one minute or a minute later? Let us hope god is not the same idiot as I am - or in case he is and he takes the prayers of atheists serious too, then let us hope a minute for god is a million years for us.

 

I see....so you know Atheists better than they do.

 

Of course, tecoyah. Atheists do not know their own minds, because they are trapped in their belief that deity does not exist, despite having not the language, symbols, or logic to prove their belief.

 

Golly....Here I had no idea what I was thinking. I certainly did not know there were Billions of people who thought exactly as I do. I'm sure glad we all have you to tell us what we are thinking as it would be really bad to have no idea what we were talking about.

 

IOW, you admit that you have not the symbols or logic or language to prove deity does not exist, tecoyah. Thank you.

Theism, pro and anti, simply is faith believe because the standards of proof in the physical and supernatural worlds are different.

 

Yes he does. It's why most all money in MLB is guaranteed whereas NFL money is not

 

Most modern historians and scholars agree that the guy existed, Durandal.

What amazes me, sitting here in the 21st century, is that there are still people who believe, without question, this fantastical hypothesis that the guy was the son of some alleged creator god ... even though we still don't even have a speck of credible or compelling evidence suggesting this creator god exists.


Hell, Sagan can talk about this stuff more eloquently than me...

Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Others—for example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einstein—considered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws. -- Carl Sagan

 

Most modern historians and scholars don't question this as they should. This is slowly beginning to change, though.

 

No, Durandel, it is not changing.

All that is changing is you folks are more bold in your visibility, and thus get mad because you kept slapped down regularly.

 

That's your claim, isn't it?

 

Those that hate God always blame him for the bad karma that humans bring on themselves, by the choices they make.....like Sodom and Gomorrah...God didn't destroy them, the evil they chose did. God only creates, evil destroys. Look what you just chose.

 

So....why did he "Create" Evil again?

 

Without evil there is no freedom of choice....

 

Ah...I remember now. Super smart omnipotent man makes little versions of himself with purposeful flaws so he can punish them for being flawed like he wanted them to be. In this way he proves how super smart he is to himself and the little thingys he made so the thingys will worship him for bein' so nice and smart.

Now I get it.

 

Trump is not God. He's not vein like the men that wrote the bible make him out to be. God doesn't punish...the natural law of truth is Karma, which isn't punishment, it's "you reap what you sow"....as soon as you learn the lesson you graduate to the next level. That can take many reincarnations because, ignorance is not knowing....stupid is refusing to learn. You can take the short road, or the long road....God doesn't demand you worship him...you get to chose the truth or not. Truth, love, forgiveness....or darkness...your choice.

All natural laws were set during the BIG BANG, right down to the particles of the atom. The "God particle"(Bose Higgs particle) gives every atom its mass. There is nothing that exists outside of God...so everything is in God, and God is in everything.
http://www.crystalinks.com/holographic.html