Jesus was a Jew. Why do some Christians and Muslims hate Jews?

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Wyrd is failing at basic reasoning skills again.
     
  2. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Why are you refusing to denounce and renounce the Jewish Babylonian Talmud? I thought you hated hateful things and that book is very hateful.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not quite sure what you mean. What would be easy to challenge in court?
    Please clarify...

    Meanwhile, a Florida school principal, William Latson, was fired because he said that he wasn't sure that the Holocaust® was a factual event.
    I suspect that the Holocaust Industry will push their so that: brainwashing agenda as hard as they can so that "...Holocaust education is uniform and consistent across the country.”


    "School principal fired for saying 'I can't say the Holocaust is a factual event'"
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/31/florida-high-school-principal-holocaust-fired
    EXCERPT "William Latson fired for misconduct after writing he was ‘not in a position … as a district employee’ to say the Holocaust happened" CONTINUED
     
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    My point that you are trying so desperately to evade has nothing to do with the fraudulence of the Holocaust Industry or how many people believe the Holocaust myth.

    I randomly selected 2 mainstream articles that cite typical inflated Holocaust "statistics" used to arrive at the claimed casualty count of "6 million Jews and 5 million others killed"

    For #(1) to be true, 3 people would have to fit into a space of 1 square foot and #(2) claims that 20,000 people could be gassed and cremated at Auschwitz - Birkenau per day (mid 1944).

    So, for at least the third time, I will ask if you actually believe 3 people can fit into 1 square foot and if you believe that 20,000 could have been gassed and cremated per day at Auschwitz - Birkenau (mid 1944).

    In order for the outrageous claim of 11 million killed by the Nazis to be true, you have to believe these 2 equally outrageous claims.

    Again, I will ask if you actually believe 3 people can fit into 1 square foot and if you believe that 20,000 could have been gassed and cremated per day at Auschwitz - Birkenau?

    If you don't believe that these fictitious 2 claims are true, then you can't believe that the Nazis killed 11 million people. It's that simple.

    As desperate as holocaustian cult members are to slander anyone who doesn't believe their cult fairy tales as "Neo Nazis" etc, critical thinking ability has nothing to do with Neo Nazism.



    (1) "Ruins of Bunker 2"
    https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/RuinsBunker2.html

    EXCERPTS "As the four photos above show, Bunker 2 was divided into four small rooms which had the capacity to kill 1,200 Jews at a time, according to Laurence Rees, the author of "Auschwitz, a New History."

    According to a book entitled "The Bombing of Auschwitz: Should the Allies Have Attempted It?" by Michael J. Neufeld and Michael Berenbaum, Bunker 2 was 56 feet long and 27 feet wide. Each of the four gas chamber rooms was 14 feet by 7"CONTINUED


    (2) “THE CAMPS”
    https://www.bxscience.edu/ourpages/auto/2012/3/1/36224384/holocaust - the camps.htm

    EXCERPT “ One group went to the gas chambers within a few hours; these people were sent to the Birkenau camp, where more than 20,000 people could be gassed and cremated each day. “ CONTINUED
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    I haven't read the Talmud. I've repeatedly condemned the Tanakh, however, which I have read. And the "hateful" part isn't the biggest issue. The whole, you know, MASS MURDER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE is the bigger issue. Your constant attempts at equivocation aren't going to work. As I've explained to you before: it is possible for more than one thing to be wrong. Surely you understand this. If you do, then you understand that constantly asking "But what about? What about? What about? What about?" is complete nonsense.

    You MIGHT have had a point (not really, but let's be generous), if the Nazis only targeted religious, Rabbinic Jews. They did not.
     
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    I haven't answered yet because I hadn't studied it yet. I appreciate the textbook example of a gish gallop, but I will study it when I study it. I owe you nothing, and frankly, I have a history of researching the claims of fringe denialists and finding them wanting; I'll research, but I have no reason to believe there will be any more logic to this argument than there were for the braindead swimming pool "argument", or soccer team "argument", or part-Jewish Nazi soldiers "argument", the orchestra "argument", the "Judea Declare War" "argument", and so on and so on.

    It takes no time to mindlessly copy/paste arguments like these. It requires thought and effort to look into them and debunk them.

    Two questions, however:

    1) In your calculations, how many "batches" are you assuming could be "processed" per day?
    2) Why are you only counting the square footage of 1 of the 2 gas chamber buildings?

    I ask because your argument sounds very much like the debunked Leuchter theory, which is probably where it originated from. Leuchter, however, arrived at his "2 square feet per person" theory by 1) Not counting all of the gas chambers in calculations and 2) Assuming that each gas chamber would have to wait a week in between gassings.
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    The main reason people are pissed at the Nazis is because they killed white people instead of focusing on killing black and brown people.
     
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    I thought Jews were persecuted by Godless people.
    Just look up Momemtum Antisemtism UK.
    Jeremy Corbyn was like a damp squib Adolf Hitler that thankfully never amounted to anything in the end because this country isn't buying that brand of money hating Jew hating blaming crap.
    You should hear how Jeremy Corbyn speaks of America and he wanted to be our Prime Minister.
     
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    Well, it's not all about race you know.
     
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    Going into more detail here. So you are getting to the "3 people . . . 1 square foot" number by using your first source, which itself references 2 different sources . . . without directly quoting or providing citation for either of them. Let's assume your source relayed the information about these 2 sources correctly . . . and? The claim that these numbers must be correct in order for the Holocaust to be true is just pure insanity.

    Your entire argument rests on demanding the I 1) assume the numbers in the blog you posted are correctly reported and 2) that those numbers being correctly reported is vitally important to whether or not the Holocaust happened. Which is just a vapid demand.

    Now, onto the more widely-reported estimate of 20,000 gassed per day at the height of the the camp's murder spree. You literally provided nothing at all to refute that. If you do want to provide that evidence, I'm waiting. Before you do, just note that you haven't actually provided any kind of citation regarding the dimensions of Bunker 2 (no, a blog that does not provide its own sources doesn't count), nor have you taken into account that Bunker 2 was not the only active gas chamber.
     
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    Would love to get a straight answer from you: was this racist mass murder bad or not? Will you condemn it or not? If your answer is anything but an immediate and unequivocal "YES," then you are just projecting your double standard onto others.
     
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    I can tell you I wont, because there was nothing racist about it what so ever.

    It was political NOT racist.

    Zionists are the only wackos that think they can declare war on some country without getting their hair messed up.

    You need to get serious, its a well established fact and you have seen the proof that hitler had Jews in his army. really ****s up the racist card you keep trying to play, but dont let the facts get in your way.
     
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    You can still denounce and renounce the Talmud even if you haven't read it. So why won't you denounce it?
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    How was it racist? Jews are whites, Germans are whites. What is racist is the Bible, from start to finish, and the Talmud. Renounce and denounce them.
     
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    The Zionists started WWII and the Middle Eastern wars as part of their land grab plan.
     
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    You can't HONESTLY denounce a piece of writing without having read it. Surely you can comprehend this.
     
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    I can't even begin to count the logical contradictions here. Nazis thought of Jews as another, separate race. It is impossible that you are historically ignorant enough that you didn't know that. And I've already condemned the Hebrew scriptures. But you can't be consistent, can you? Still have to avoid condemning the mass murder of millions. Wonder why.
     
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    Jews didn't force racist, fascist idiots to start invading other countries, nor were Nazi murder and the Nazi land grab plan part of the victims' supposed land grab plan. But don't let something like facts get in the way.
     
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    There isn't the slightest sliver of evidence for this nonsense. But maybe this was meant to be a parody. Poe's Law strikes again
     
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    What mass murder? Where are the death records? Your Jew census was made up by the Zionist J-W commitee, it was all fake, no fact required same as your posts.

    murder? :roflol:

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    So you think the J-Ws should be able to declare war germany and starve them out by their own admission, 6 million germans and end up with so much as one hair out of place?

    So then Roosevelt is clearly a racist because after the japs declared war on the US he through them all in concentration camps too, yet you are silent on that.

    Thats some seriously twisted projection man.
     
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    Yes they did, stop posting that trash disinformation.


    Modern Israel has its origins in the Zionism movement, established in the late 19th century by Jews in the Russian Empire who called for the establishment of a territorial Jewish state after enduring persecution. In 1896, Jewish-Austrian journalist Theodor Herzl published an influential political pamphlet called The Jewish State, which argued that the establishment of a Jewish state was the only way of protecting Jews from anti-Semitism. Herzl became the leader of Zionism, convening the first Zionist Congress in Switzerland in 1897. Ottoman-controlled Palestine, the original home of the Jews, was chosen as the most desirable location for a Jewish state, and Herzl unsuccessfully petitioned the Ottoman government for a charter.
    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/state-of-israel-proclaimed

    How did Germany react to the Treaty?

    Reactions to the Treaty in Germany were very negative. There were protests in the German Reichstag (Parliament) and out on the streets. It is not hard to see why Germans were outraged. Germany lost 10% of its land, all its overseas colonies, 12.5% of its population, 16% of its coal and 48% of its iron industry. There were also the humiliating terms, which made Germany accept blame for the war, limit their armed forces and pay reparations.

    What do historians think of the Treaty?


    Much criticism has been made of the Treaty because it was too harsh on Germany. On the other hand, historians have pointed out that Germany could have been treated a lot more harshly for several reasons:

    Germany only accepted the Fourteen Points when it was clear they were losing the war.

    In the harsh Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, the Germans took away 34% of Russia's population and 50% of its industry and made them pay 300 million gold roubles in reparations.

    Clemenceau wanted the Treaty to be much harsher, with Germany broken up into smaller states, but Wilson stopped this happening.

    The reparations payments cost Germany only 2% of its annual production.

    Germany's main economic problem was not reparations but war debt, [Owed to the same J-Ws that started the war] which it had planned to pay by winning the war and making other countries pay reparations.

    In 1924, Germany received huge loans from the USA to help its economy recover.

    The years 1924-29 were fairly prosperous for Germany. For example, Germany produced twice as much steel as Britain in 1925.

    It was a boilerplate treaty a land and resources grab Americans seen right through it!

    How did the USA react to the Treaty?

    In the USA reactions to the Treaty were generally negative. Many Americans felt that the Treaty was unfair on Germany. More importantly, they felt that Britain and France were making themselves rich at Germany's expense and that the USA should not be helping them to do this.


    https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/greatwar/g5/cs2/background.htm

    You may wish to consider educating yourself a little better before running with the keyboard out here.
     
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    right! They didnt want to just defeat germany they wanted to permanently cripple it so it would become even more depend on J-Ws for its survival, and they wanted the uk to steal israel and give it to them! Which the uk in fact did!

    Rothschild agreement with balfour proves it, and incidentally, those boyx see the writing on the wall, they publically announced they were getting out of the general banking business and only going to work with corporations. (before the brewing shitstorm hits now that the truth about holohoax has surfaced

    Imagine the gubmint coming in and repartitioning your land exterminating the people as the J-Ws did to germany dividing it up and giving it away to their partner in crime kleptocrat pals.

    Anyone that would happen to on the planet would be pissed, picking up their guns and blasting away to set things right again........well except yard meat of course, as we can see from the propaganda he posts he would roll out the red carpet, come and get take it all boys! LOL
     
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    Some people denounce the Koran and the Book of Mormon without having read them. Here is a link to the Talmud in an easy to read format = http://www.come-and-hear.com/talmud/index.html Please read it if it is new to you so that you will understand the root of the problem. That way you will be able to answer the thread's question. Remember, they wrote it and believe it and all of the Israeli leaders act on it. That is one of the reasons they keep stealing the Palestinians' lands and waging genocide against them. Overall, it is a very disgusting book and you need a strong stomach to read it unless you have been indoctrinated in it since you were a toddler. Maybe you will keep us informed of your progress?
     
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    I think it is really amazing that the Zionists have been able to follow every word in every plan in The Jewish State without any major blowback since everyone who can read knows what they are doing. None of their leaders are shy about expressing contempt for the rest of humanity (of course they don't consider other people to be humans). The Jesus character called Gentiles dogs and swine. It is a mystery why they worship him.
     
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    Tone down the paranoia for a bit and learn to use the forum's search function. I've criticized both Israel and the Hebrew scriptures. Meanwhile, you can't even bring yourself to condemn the mass murder of ETHNIC Jews (it happened regardless of their religion), so don't lecture anyone else about extremism.
     

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