Jesus was the first Republican:

Hey James - where's my money???

 

Hey James - where's the $10,000 you owe me?

 

... still waiting ...

 

Hey James - where's the $10,000 you owe me?

Still waiting!

 

Hey James - where's the $10,000 you owe me?

Still waiting!

 

Still waiting!


I guess the forum right wingers now agree that Jesus was the first Democrat and that he would never be an antichrist Republican.

 

But before we were Romans, we were nomads.

 

Ahhh, one of my favorite misunderstood quotes from the Bible.

OK, let me digress into a history lesson here. He was not saying it was impossible for a rich man to enter heaven, just that it is difficult. And in that era, camels passed through the eye of the needle every day, as did people.

In the 1st century CE, almost all cities had walls, as well as gates. And at night, all but a few gates would be closed. The remaining gates were all called the "eye of the Needle", because of the difficulty in passing through them.

For humans, they were built very low, requiring a man to stoop to pass. This prevented large numbers from passing through at the same time, and they were defenseless to the guards on the other side as they passed.



And for camels, it was similar. All cargo had to be offloaded, and the camel also had to stoop down and almost crawl in order to pass. This allowed guards to control smuggling and to stop invasions.



So such a passage was not impossible at all, simply difficult. But done many times a day.

 

He was neither, as such political concepts did not exist in that era.

Remember, in the 1st century CE the common political systems were Monarchies, or Empires. The Greeks had toyed with Democracy, but it had collapsed centuries earlier. The Romans had toyed with a Republic for centuries, but it had collapsed in the decades prior. But even that Republic had all the outward tendencies of an Empire in all but technicalities.

Today it would be impossibly to fit him into either group. He believed in living a pious life, but also in not being directly involved in politics so long as they did not impact on him. He believed in personal liberties, so long as God was put first. He came from a region that was known and ridiculed during his lifetime for it's almost backwards communal living society.

It was a community that eschewed personal property, but at the same time would exile members of the community who did not work. Not unlike many early Protestant communities. He had equal scorn for the idle rich, as he did for those who would not work because of sloth.

If anything, he would probably come closest to being a Moderate Libertarian, and would not care much for either of the other 2 "radical" groups. And would ignore them, as long as they left him and his alone.

Do unto others, and all that stuff.

 

In the Old Testament, people voted judges and kings to rule over them. This means they were democrats whose selectees were democratically elected. Jesus did not alter the Mosaic law in that regard. That makes him a Democrat.

 

Wow, that is so far off the track, that I have to wonder if you had even seen a copy of the Scriptures, let alone read one.

Judges and kinds were not elected, they were appointed. Even their first "King", Joshua, was appointed by God. Most of the judges were Levites.

Just making things up then strutting around you win does not mean a damned thing.

BTW, ancient Israel was a confederation, made up of 12 clans. And it was the clan leaders who ratified and affirmed the rise of a new King, as well as agreeing to treaties and other important decisions. You know, the kind of structure you find in a Republic. So what elections there were, were held among the 12 tribal leaders, not the population.

And not that unlike the systems held in modern Parliamentary systems to this day.

 

Jesus was the FIRST ANTIFA.

He was crucified by Conservatives, for not joining the DAGGERMEN, in insurrection against the Roman State. The Conservatives let out a RADICAL MUSLIM TERRORIST{Barnabas} and kept the liberal. Typical.

 

Wow, that is quite a trick since Mohammed would not even be born for another 500 years. And the man released was Barabbas, not Barnabas. Barnabas would not even appear until Acts, and he was from Cyrpus, not Jerusalem.

And Barabbas is accepted by most scholars as fictional. There has never been found any kind of record of a "Passover Pardon", either before, during, or after this time period. And the name is actually "Bar Abbas", or "Son of the Father". Abba was the word that Jesus used in his teachings to refer to God.

As for the "Daggermen", I assume you mean the Sicarii of the Zealots? Not hardly, unlike at least one of his Apostles (Simon Zelotes), he was not a Zealot. That is kind of a requirement to being a Sicarii.

However, it has long been believed that Judas Iscariot was both a Zealot as well as a Sicarii.

Oh, and the Sicarii were at an almost constant war with both the Pharisees and the Saducees. So why would those two groups conspire together in order to kill somebody that the Sicarii wanted dead? Joshua Bar Joseph was an Essene, and both the Zealots and Sicarii had little interest in that group that was largely pacifistic and wanted almost no involvement in the running of the Temple.

I am finding it fascinating how much I am reading here is purely made up and has almost no connection with reality.

 

So I had to take a few liberties. Give me liberty or give me tax cuts. Or something like that.

 

Jesus was killed by liberal Romans, ie Romans who represented a big powerful central govt. Liberals are for big powerful central govt while conservatives like Jesus and Jefferson opposed. Now do you understand?

 

political concepts always existed and people always objected to powerful central govt that was ruining their lives!!! Jesus was about individual liberty, a new concept, and the individual's relationship with God, not with liberal govt. Thus, Jesus was the first Republican who set in motion the ideas that led to the concept of America..

 

If he had been a Democrat he would have advocated magical govt to solve all problems, but he advocated individual liberty and individual behavior before God. Now do you understand?

 

very very irrelevant since then govt was very very liberal and powerful. You got rich through connection to liberal govt. Today we have capitalism wherein you get rich by selling products that increase someone's standard of living faster than anyone else on earth can. Now do you understand?

 

"Give us a king" - a demand made by the ancient Israelites. They demanded and got Saul. First book of Samuel 8.

 

Obviously, you know less about the Bible than Mushroom does. Jesus said render unto Caesar what's his in which he acknowledged the proper role of government. He repeatedly condemned welfare for the rich and said their ultimate fate would be hellish. That is something the likes of you and Trump should be wary of. That makes him a Democrat, not a antichrist Republican.

 

Nazis were not Godless and they hated libcommunists. USA wanted to recruit Nazis too to defeat the libcommies.

 

Nope, Romans were JUSt doing the dirty work. The SANHEDDRIN decided he would GO. They were the EVANGELICAL right winger equivalent.

 

Jesus brought down the Roman Empire and canon law became civil law. 1+1=2

"Render unto Caesar" is the beginning of a phrase attributed to Jesus in the synoptic gospels, which reads in full, "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" (Ἀπόδοτε οὖν τὰ Καίσαρος Καίσαρι καὶ τὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ τῷ Θεῷ).[Matthew 22:21]

This phrase has become a widely quoted summary of the relationship between Christianity, secular government, and society. The original message, coming in response to a question of whether it was lawful for Jews to pay taxes to Caesar, gives rise to multiple possible interpretations about the circumstances under which it is desirable for the Christian to submit to earthly authority.

 

wrong!! if he had spoken the truth he would have been killed on the spot, instead he established a beach head for liberty against the libRoman govt that eventually brought it down and eventually created America..

 

the rich then were rich because of govt authority, today the rich are servants who survive only by offering best jobs and products in entire world. Do you offer such jobs and products?