Juneteenth - The Accurate Story - The Democrat Version is a Lie

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  1. Esperance

    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Democrat version is a lie. The Republican sponsored legislation of June 19th, 1862 is the real reason why the 19th is the exact date. Texas was technically a territory during June of 1865, so the Emancipation Proclamation was not the actual legal basis for what General Gordon Granger was citing.


    Law Enacting Emancipation in the Federal Territories

    CHAP. CXI.–An Act to secure Freedom to all Persons within the Territories of the United States.

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That from and after the passage of this act there shall be neither slavery nor involuntary servitude in any of the Territories of the United States now existing, or which may at any time hereafter be formed or acquired by the United States, otherwise than in punishment of crimes whereof the party shall have been duly convicted.

    APPROVED, June 19, 1862.

    U.S., Statutes at Large, Treaties, and Proclamations of the United States of America, vol. 12 (Boston, 1863), p. 4


    Republicans argued that slavery was “contrary to natural right,” inconsistent with the law of nature. Republican leaders argued that because slavery could only exist where there was positive law, no one could be a slave in the territories because Congress never passed laws creating slavery there.

    The immediate result of this legislation was the abolition of slavery in the District of Columbia and all U.S. territories.

    Abraham Lincoln had been a strong advocate for putting an end to slavery in the District of Columbia when he served in Congress from 1847 to 1849.

    This legislation was enacted about three months before the “Emancipation Proclamation” executive order was drafted by Abraham Lincoln during late September of 1862.


    The Democrats simply don’t want to acknowledge that they had absolutely nothing to do with the reason for this holiday.
     
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    Nice find and perfect way to frame the discussion of this holiday today.
     
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    while we are setting partisan history straight. in the 1864 election was lincoln a republican?
     
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    During the American Civil War, Texas had joined the Confederate States. The Confederacy was defeated, and U.S. Army soldiers arrived in Texas on June 19, 1865 to take possession of the state, restore order, and enforce the emancipation of slaves. The date is now commemorated as the holiday Juneteenth.

    Texas became a State in 1845. It was no more or no less a state than any others state that seceded

    Forget the word games. It has nothing to do with versions.
     
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    And only applied to territories. Why not December 6th when the 13th Amendment which end slavery PERIOD in the UNITED STATES.
     
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    This didn't work in the South where they did not agree nor vote for such actions. Hence why Juneteenth is celebrated. However, federal territories was any territory in CONTUS that was not a state, which was Oklahoma, the Dakotas, etc. But slaves were not very common there, generally.

    BTW, Juneteenth was promoted originally by the GOP under Lincoln and such up until the 1950s or 60s.
     
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    Will Juneteenth always fall on a Sunday like Easter? So we don't have to worry about Banks closing and not getting our mail that day.
     
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    No it will always be on June 19. The banks and mail etc will happen tomorrow.
     
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    What about liquor stores, will they be closed for Juneteenth? That's where we cash our SNAP checks every week.
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Texas was not a state until it was re-admitted as a state during March of 1870.

    General Gordon Granger issued his General Order #3 but it was not done based on the Emancipation Proclamation. It was issued based on the June 19th act of 1862.
     
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    Never was a creature called a SNAP check.
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lincoln was still a Republican and ran on a National Union platform.
     
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    Again word games. If in fact what you say is true why were people in Texas still being held as slaves? Were the free to travel, get jobs etc. How was Texas any different than any other state that seceded?
    What difference does it make when someone chooses to honer the end of slavery. Do you feel that the war on Christmas is a conservative lie because Jesus was not born on December 25, but in the spring?
    Some people will go a long way, even lie themselves to get in a cheap shot.
     
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    What version is that? The only version I have heard is that its about ending of slavery (Texas) and that now its a federal holiday, which I don't agree with since we already have MLK day as federal holiday.
     
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    yes, the racist conservative democrats did not switch parties until later, now they are racist conservative republicans

    the right should give them the boot like the left did
     
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    sirius, this is the version i have heard, and does not contadict the partisan story of the op. it is "juneteenth" because neither soldiers nor slaves much know or care what the precise date is.
     
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    The key wording here.

    Isn't that the case for almost anything these days?

    Breonna Taylor? Lies.
    Michael Brown? Lies.
    3/5 rule? Lies
    Climate injustice? Lie.
    White privilege? Lie.
    Racist roads? Lie.

    An entire ideology built on lies to create as many victims as possible.
     
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    Not June Nineteenth.

    Juneteenth.

    A celebration of laziness and ignorance.

    How perfect.
     
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    Shame on you.
     
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    It seems, public offices will be closed today, Monday, for yesterday's Juneteenth.
     
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    Oh geez so much wrong here.

    The South wasn't part of the UNION it was the Confederacy. This act was the United States and in ONLY applied to territories not Union States.

    Lincoln was assassinated two months before the General in Galveston posted a few signs about the Emancipation Proclamation. Juneteenth did not come about until the 1960's.

    Myth #1: President Abraham Lincoln issued his Emancipation Proclamation on Jan. 1, 1863, and it's outrageous that it took two and a half years for the news to finally reach enslaved people in Texas.

    Fact: Many slaves knew about Lincoln's executive order emancipating them. The news was widely covered in Texas newspapers—with an anti-abolitionist spin—and Black people would have overheard white people discussing it in private and in public. Moreover, "There was an incredibly sophisticated communication network among slaves in Texas," says Edward T. Cotham, Jr., Texas Civil War historian and author of Juneteenth, The Story Behind The Celebration. "News like that spread like wildfire. We know some slaves knew about the Emancipation Proclamation even before slaveowners. It didn't mean anything because there was no army to enforce it."

    Juneteenth Order. "It wasn't that all these poor people didn't get the message," she says, "It was that there was no one enforcing it, no one making it happen!"

    Myth #2: Major Gen. Gordon Granger penned General Orders No. 3, the Juneteenth Order, and is credited with freeing Texas slaves.

    Fact: The order—which includes the powerful language "all slaves are free" and "absolute equality"—was actually written by Granger's staff officer, Maj. Frederick Emery, who hailed from an abolitionist family in Free Kansas. "As a crusader against slavery in Kansas, Emery was well versed on the subject of emancipation," writes Cotham in his Juneteenth book.

    Sam Collins III, the unofficial ambassador of Juneteenth tourism in Galveston, says, "Granger is just one of the characters in the story. He's not any great hero. Matter of fact, he was no friend of the enslaved people. There are reports of Granger sending runaway slaves back to slave states."

    Myth #3: Gen. Gordon Granger read the Juneteenth Order from a balcony to the people of Galveston, announcing that "all slaves are free."

    Fact: According to Cotham, Gen. Granger never read the order publicly, nor did any member of his staff. It would have been posted around town, particularly at places where Black people gathered, such as "the Negro Church on Broadway," as Reedy Chapel-AME Church was then called. Most enslaved people in Texas learned of General Orders No. 3 when the slavemaster called them together and read them the news.

    Myth #4: The Juneteenth Order was basically a Texas version of the Emancipation Proclamation.

    Fact: General Orders No. 3 stated unequivocally "all slaves are free," but it also contained patronizing language intended to appease planters who didn't want to lose their workforce. Forty-one words of the brief 93-word order urged enslaved people to stay put and keep working.

    "The freed are advised to remain at their present homes, and work for wages. They are informed that they will not be allowed to collect at military posts; and that they will not be supported in idleness either there or elsewhere."

    Sam Collins: "The last two sentences advised the freedmen to remain at their present homes and work for wages. So you're free, but don't go anywhere."

    Ed Cotham: "Many years later, the formerly enslaved (interviewed for the 1930s WPA Slave Narratives) remembered when the Freedom Paper was read to them. The slaveholder wanted to keep them working, but they didn't hear it that way. Once they heard "all slaves are free" they said to hell with you. That's what made the Juneteenth Order so memorable and made it succeed."
    https://www.npr.org/2022/06/20/1105...myths-about-juneteenth-are-not-based-on-facts

    And slavery was still legal in the United States when the notices were posted in Galveston.

    June 19th is a trivial day in America and the history of slavery. If there should be a day to mark the ending of slavery in the United States in should Dec. 6 or 18 else part of Black History month.
     
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    Most of the ancestors of the slave owner class are modern day Democrats.
    Seventy Five percent of the Jewish population living in the South were slave owners.
    I am not aware of any ancestor of this Jewish population who now professes to be Republican.

    Most of the Republicans in the South who switched parties are the ancestors of the confederate foot soldiers who were not slave holders back then.

    The progressive elites of today embrace the rebranded slave owner mindset.
     
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    Now post the Democrat's version...
     
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    You wanna show us the lineage charts to prove your speculative position?
     
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    As far as I am concerned Happy Juneteenth...
     
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