Juneteenth - The Accurate Story - The Democrat Version is a Lie

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  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    The smoke and mirrors game played by democrats is a lie. There was no switch. Democrats are trying hard to distance themselves from hundreds of years of racism. It is all smoke and mirrors. Who cares how racists vote? Democrats created the mess. They need to acknowledge this fact and take responsibility.
     
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    There weren't enough federal holidays in June. So, create one, and federal employees unions will get off your back...
     
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    Yes there was the Confederate States of America which was invaded by the United States of America.
    Yes Texas and slaves there were well aware of the EP as my cite proved.
    The Union did not want to burden of African slaves period, although it enjoyed the cheaper productions they produced, and why they preferred indentured servants, white slaves.
    The EP did not apply to the United States only the Confederate States, slavery was legal in the United States throughout the war and even afterwards, the actual date when slavery was ended is between Dec. 6 and Dec. 18 either the day the 13th was ratified by enough states but I would say 18 when it was actually signed into the Constitution. June 6 is a trivial date in American history and the history of slavery. As noted in my OP there was not even this OFFICIAL announcement it is supposedly based on, the Union occupiers simply posted some notices on billboards about it.
     
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    Why, after they lost in 1948 they all went right back into the welcoming arms of the Democrats and held high positions in the party and as elected officials and even after the passage of the CRA and VRA only the rare Republican switched parties and it was not over civil or voting rights. The Democrats continued their populist policies and were eventually voted out of office or all died.
     
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    They existed in 1948, lost their bid for the Presidency and then went right back to the Democrat party's welcome arms, the party where segregation always found it's home.
     
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    Slavery is still enshrined in the Constitution. Granted, the total number of slaves in the US is about half what it was in 1860, but slavery is still alive and well.

    Before, anyone that could afford to keep a slave could. Now you have to get the majority of the population of your state to agree a certain demographic should be enslaved. And only government can administrate the slave trade and enforcement. Also, the percentage of black slaves fell from nearly 100% to just under 40%. Oh, and there is often a choice whether the slave wants to be a house slave or not. :)

    Juneteenth holiday doesn’t annoy me any more than President’s day or Labor Day. You don’t take days off in my business anyway so what and when people “celebrate” is irrelevant to me except for the inconvenience of other businesses being closed.

    I do think our country would be better off if we actually abolished slavery instead of arguing about dates and methods of the past that only gave monopoly power of enslavement to the majority and state instead of the individual.

    So next time you have a McDonalds burger, buy stuff at Walmart, or take that Avis rental, thank your slaves. Your life would not be as easy without them. Oh, and thank the geniuses who figured out a way to make slavery acceptable to the vast majority of US citizens. :) Perhaps we should give them a holiday!
     
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    yep, those Conservatives are not Republicans, no one forgets
     
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    yep, many southern Conservatives left the Democrat Party due to them not supporting racism
     
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    we all know where they are today, and it's not in the democrat's party, just follow those fighting to keep the Confederate statues and waving Confederate flags in the US Capital on 1-6
     
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    Word games are silly. Calling democrats conservatives is just one of the sole and mirrors game I was talking about.
     
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    that is what they were, conservative democrats, not a word game, it's what they were
     
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    The Emancipation Proclamation was no longer a viable option in Texas once Kirby Smith surrendered. The 1862 law dealt with the status of Texas after the June 2nd surrender.

    Slavery remained legal in states like Kentucky and Delaware until the ratification of the 13th Amendment in December of 1865.

    The Federal legislation of June 19th, 1862 was of much greater historical significance than the June 19th, 1865 order of Gordon Granger.

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    LOL, the pot calling the kettle black here.

    For the 3/5th rule, it was actually part of the US Constitution and was not changed until the 14th amendment, among other things. So were the framers lying then? Or are you mad that Democrats were actully quoting the intent of the framers in the compromise that brought the 3/5 rule?

    Second, Breonna Taylor was killed based on piss poor police tactics. Shall we start with the basis of the warrant? The statements of Jarmascus Glover? Or shall we start with the lying by police in the aftermath of the no-knock warrant?

    White privilege? A matter of perspective and opinion. So how is opinion lying?

    Climate injustice? So, I can place nuclear waste near your home and call it a day then?

    Racist roads? WTF is this, some new conservative term on the Qnon internet? Or are you referring to how the US Interstate was built avoiding vibrant communities to begin with? If you ever look at Route 66 and the communities it supported in the 1940s and 50s, you would not that these communities were dominated by people of color, especially the eating establishments, hotels, motels, etc. There have been studies which the Interstate project. And just like the railroad of the 1800s, the interstate made or break communities if the internet either went through the town or bypassed it.
     
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    Except, Republicans today would be appalled by Abraham Lincoln and call him a RINO, or worse, a Socialist Democrat. After all, he created the income tax in 1864 before the 16th amendment was approved by Congress and the States. He expanded federal beauracracy so much that Libertarians, the ultimate small-government conservative, put him at the BOTTOM of the list of greatest presidents. He was so progressive, that even AOC would have supported him.
     
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    Considering that the Confederates fired on Fort Sumpter first, I would not call "the invasion" something that the Union did so reluctantly. This was total and unrestricted warfare. Sherman's march to the Sea, the dividing of the South by the Mississippi River, and all the other actions. Something to consider if your side really wants to CW again. Except this time, no reset button will be presented.
     
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    Meh, not at all. They were progressives in that they wanted to expand slavery and when they didn't get their way they threw a hissy fit.
     
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    Nah, the democrats hated Lincoln so bad that when he freed their slaves they threw a hissy fit.
     
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    Oh good lord, the word games again. You speak the words, but have abosolutely no idea on the history and meaning of those words in the context and time when they were said.
     
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    Looky here, people arguing about which piece of crap political party is more responsible for racism and slavery ... hell, most civilized
    countries ended slavery with a simple vote or decree, not with a civil war, so pretending EITHER of the parties is better is rather idiotic.

    Vote independent. Stop supporting the idiots of these two parties.
     
  21. doombug

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    Hahaha! I understand history and do not buy into the phony baloney put out by democrats. Democrats need to acknowledge their shameful history.
     
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    To stop a blockade of the port which was an act of war. The Confederacy just wanted to be left alone it did NOT invade the Union nor try to destroy the United States government. It was Lincoln who invaded and sent his armies into a war of total destruction in order to bring the Confederate states back into the Union. With their slavery intact I might add.

    And why would you attempt to insinuate I want to CW again? What's the purpose of that smear, can't deal with the facts I posted?
     
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    Of course it was, those slaves were now free because the Union forces occupied the territory, as had been happening throughout the South as the Union occupied more and more territory. And as you too note slavery was still LEGAL in the United States. The June 19th date was nothing more than the official notice, written by a lower officer, being nailed to bulletin boards in Galveston. The EP was not news to them, the fact that these particular slaves would gain their freedom with the Union forces was nothing of historical significance. As you point out slavery was officially ended and all remaining slaves in the United States were freed with the 13th Amendment in December, either the 6th or 18th depending on what you choose ratification or final signing. Not six months earlier because of an insignificant event in a small town in Texas.
     
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    It's about historical accuracy something that seems lacking in modern education.
     
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    History is written by the victors ... I serious doubt that any of the histories are completely accurate.
     

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