Keepers of "Science"

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  1. AARguy

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    In the Dark Ages, few people could read or write. Their "Physics" was superstition, their "Chemistry" was witchcraft, and their medicine was no more than voodoo. The known "science" of the time was generally guarded and stored in monasteries as wars raged outside their gates. The Renaissance Period brought "science" back into the light of day. Science blossomed and grew until today we have aircraft, heart transplants, and air conditioning.

    But we are entering a new Dark Ages. Everyone has an iPhone but few can explain how those magic pictures fly through air and land on your screen. Most folks use a microwave oven every day but have no idea how it works. Lots of pet owners use toy lasers to play with their furry friends, but can't explain how that light is made, as opposed to a lightbulb.

    We are entering a new Dark Age. We already are steadfasly convinced of our position (whatever it is) on COVID, but its because of what Dr Fauci tells us to believe, not because we have read any documentation. Worse yet, we believe the truth of "science" is whatever our President says it is.

    We are entering a new Dark Age.
     
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    “In the dark ages kids knew to keep off my lawn. Kids these days with their fancy technology don’t know to keep off my lawn”
     
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    Those in the "dark ages" believed in or used features available to them without having understanding of them. They bled people to cure them. They thought the reason for the heart was as a house for the "soul". They thought eclipses were supernatural omens, usually of disaster. Etc.

    The fact is that by now human understanding has exceeded the ability for any single individual to know the details, the science, behind all the stuff they use. We CAN NOT be experts in everything.

    I don't see that as a "dark age" AT ALL. That's an amazing feat of human ingenuity!

    But, it does mean that we have NO CHOICE but to rely on people who have had the time, energy, education, opportunity, etc., to understand the specific areas they focus on.

    The challenge of our age is one of learning to differentiate between those who are experts, whose advice we should follow, who have done the work to really understand, and the charlatans.

    And, that is helped by taking part in as much education as possible. The more uneducated we remain, the worse decisions we will make.

    That's true in another way, too. Our economy is moving toward automation, innovation, clean energy, high tech, advanced medicine, etc. The good jobs are moving away from manufacturing (which every country in the world can do) and toward these new sectors.

    Those who will get these new jobs are those who have the education they require - whether they are Americans, Chinese, or live in any other country. Those who fail at education WILL lose.
     
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    I may have missed your point. Vaccines are anti-science?
     
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    That's a very factual explanation of how we are becoming a nation of uneducated workers who work for beans and educated elites who exploit them for their mansions and personal aircraft. (Can you spell F-A-U-C-I?)
     
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    Vaccines are what they are. But when on Wednesday Fauci is a fan of boosters and the next says they are unnecessary, when masks are "essential" one day and "unnecessary" the next... when China Virus "mandates" are Draconian in some states and nonexistent in others... and seem to unrelated to the number of China Virus deaths... everything to do with COVID has become political, not scientific.
     
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    Okay. I never pay attention to Fauci. Not because he's wrong, I just don't.
     
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    Wow, did YOU ever miss the mark!! I've never seen a more ludicrous charge against Dr. Fauci.

    Blaming HIM for the education failure that we perpetuate today is absolutely ridiculous.

    Dr. Fauci isn't promoting the FL governor. He isn't blocking cities from improving their education.

    And, the reason that the USA doesn't have healthcare for all, like every other country in the world, doesn't have ANYTHING to do with medical science. It has to do with Americans who DEMAND that health be a product for the wealthy.
     
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    You aren't reading carefully enough. As I read what he says, that comment was directed at the omicron variant specifically - that at this point it appears we do not need a new vaccine for this variant.

    That does NOT conflict with his comments on the need for boosters for those who have been vaccinated 6 months or longer ago, and vacination for those not vaccinated. He has represented medical science in the determination that this is still the most effective approach to omicron.

    Beyond that, medical science IS GOING TO CHANGE ITS RECOMMENDATIONS!!!

    The reason is obvious - progress!! Scientists are not sitting on their asses watching the world go by. They are constantly improving medical science in ways that SHOULD impact policy. Not only that, but diseases (bacterial, fungal, viral) are all evolving to avoid the remedies we have. So, changes in what we do MUST be expected.

    I see NO EVIDENCE that our medical science is being influenced by politics. What IS being influenced is policy. But, medical science is only one contributor to policy.
     
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    Fauci has taken "snake oil sales" from the back of a wagon to multimillion dollar industry with political tentacles stretching across the nation. Quite the entrepreneur!
     
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    This is another RIDICULOUS claim that shows you don't know squat about Dr. Fauci, medical science, or free market enterprise, for that matter.

    He makes NO money off this.

    His positions as head of NIAID (a federal agency) and as chief health advisor to this president (and every president from Reagan to today) are not compensated based on any aspect of what is found by medical science.

    PLUS, this isn't about America. Every health organization in every other country is saying the same thing. So, now you get to try to claim that there is a world wide conspiracy that permeates ALL health science organizations!!

    Good luck!!
     
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    He makes no money? LOLOL... He is one of the highest paid people in the world.

    "Dr. Anthony Fauci made $417,608 in 2019, the latest year for which federal salaries are available. That made him not only the highest paid doctor in the federal government, but the highest paid out of all four million federal employees.

    In fact, Dr. Fauci even made more than the $400,000 salary of the President of the United States. All salary data was collected by OpenTheBooks.com via Freedom of Information Act requests."

    These are just a few excerpts.... the whole article in Forbes is very telling... Fauci is obviously dirty:
    Read more at https://www.forbes.com/sites/adaman...ighest-paid-federal-employee/?sh=2b3efd1e6081

    You say that "every health organization in every other country says the same thing". Says what? Fauci flips flops worse than a newly caught trout! First masks were not necessary, then they were essential... then a third was essential... now they aren't needed. No... not every other country in the world is flip flopping like that.
     
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    Dr. Fauci gets the salary selected for the person in his position. When he retires, the next holder of that position will get that salary.

    YOU implied that he gets paid more for what he says. That is FALSE.

    Fauci has not flip flopped. You can not support that claim.
     
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    From https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/...totally-wrong-predictions-and-contradictions/

    It’s hard to believe but America’s top Infectious Disease Doctor Anthony Fauci has been wrong on the coronavirus pandemic —Every step of the way!

    Here is a list of several errors, contradictory statements and dangerous gaffes by NIAID Director Dr. Tony Fauci:


    1.) Dr. Fauci says he warned Trump in January that the US was in real trouble but that is not what he said publicly.

    In January Dr. Anthony Fauci told Newsmax TV that the United States “did not have to worry”about the coronavirus and that it was“not a major threat.”

    2.) Dr. Fauci warned of an apocalyptic coronavirus pandemic — then just weeks later he compared the coronavirus to a bad flu.

    3.) Dr. Fauci based all of his predictions on models the that were OFF BY MILLIONS and then later told reporters,“You can’t really rely on models.”

    4.) On March 20th Dr. Fauci jumped in and during a press briefing on hydroxychloroquine treatment for coronavirus “corrected” the president saying, “You got to be careful when you say ‘fairly effective.’ It was never done in a clinical trial… It was given to individuals and felt that maybe it worked.”


    Exactly two weeks later hydroxychloroquine was deemed the most highly rated treatmentfor the novel coronavirus in an international poll of more than 6,000 doctors.

    5.) Dr. Fauci pushed these garbage models every step of the way.

    A month ago Dr. Fauci claimed 1 million to 2 million Americans would die from coronavirus. Then he said 100,000 to 200,000 Americans will die from the virus. Three weeks ago he agreed 81,766 Americans would die from the coronavirus. Then by that Wednesday Then by that Wednesday the experts cut the number of deaths to 60,415 projected deaths. to 60,415 projected deaths.

    6.) On Easter Dr. Fauci suggested President Trump. should have shut down the economy in February… When the number of known cases in the US was around 100. Fauci later walked back his attacks.

    7.) Dr. Fauci said cruises were OK on March 9th. That was a huge error.


    8.) Dr. Fauci said malls, movies and gyms were OK on February 29th. That was another huge mistake.

    9.) Dr. Fauci was wrong about the first coronavirus deaths in the country. Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx and the CDC were off by nearly a month. California officials revealed in Aprilthat a patient in Santa Clara died from coronavirus on February 6th not February 29th.

    10.) Dr. Fauci and the CDC missed themillions and millions of US citizenswho had already contracted the coronavirus before the draconian lockdowns took place. Knowing this could have prevented the economic calamity.

    11.) OnApril 15, 2020, Fauci endorses Tinder hookups, unbelievably.

    12.) Dr. Fauci relied on corrupt W.H.O rulesto lock down the United States and destroy the US economy. Meanwhile, this delays the herd immunity that is needed to prevent a future outbreak of this deadly virus.


    13.) Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx used the Imperial College Model to persuade President Trump to lock down the entire US economy. The Imperial model has since been confirmed as A COMPLETE FRAUD.

    14.) Dr. Fauci warned that Georgia would see a surge in coronavirus cases and deaths by opening their economy too early.

    He was wrong again– In fact the opposite happened.

    15.) And on Tuesday during testimony Dr. Fauci told Dr. Rand Paul that opening the schools would not be a good idea.
     
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    This is a cheap hit piece that totally ignores the situation at the time as well as the changes in situation and in medical knowledge gained afterwards.
     
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    Ahhh... typical liberal response. "I won't dispute the facts so I'll just call the source "cheap" and a "hit peace". I'm surprised you didn't call the paper and its staff "racist"... that's the usual practice for a lib that cannot dispute the FACTS.... just divert and insult... nevermind those pesky FACTS.
     
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    I'll dispute every last one of those. No problem.

    But, you're playing the Gish Gallop - the strategy of pumping large amounts of crap, making it not possible to discuss ANY of the actual issues.
     
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    I am willing to discuss anything. It is YOU that totally dismiss the FACTS with general insults and vague scorn. You want to discuss? Then lose the insults and DISCUSS THE SPECIFICS. I'll wait.
     
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    Yes, because what you printed is a ridiculous political hit piece.

    And again, YOUR tactic was to dump enough of a load to make any reasonable response in a thread impossible.

    So, try to defend ONE of those. You can't.
     
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    So, again you have nothing to dispute the FACTS reported in the POST... just lame insults and vacuous namecaling. Can you post a reputable source to dispute these FACTS rather than just namecall? Of course you can't.... its those pesky FACTS again. And you cannot show any proof at all that these FACTS are wrong. Nothing. Nada. Bupkus. You cannot dispute FACTS. Just insult and namecall. We can believe YOU or the nationally recognized NY Post. The Post wins.
     
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    His JOB is to inform the president.

    It is NOT his job to declare a national emergency. For him to do that would be a huge overstep.
     
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    So you are saying its ok to tell the President one thing then lie openly to the public? Or vice versa? THIS is exactly what I was saying. He says one thing on Monday and entirely the opposite on Tuesday.

    Thank you for proving my point.
     
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    His job is to inform the president of the USA who is his boss.

    Those in his position do not declare emergencies on their own.
     
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    I so totally agree. And he managed to declare a new emergency EVERY DAY! I so totally agree!
     

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