Khadafi Deposed - Does Obama get any Credit?

That you love Europe comes as no surprise to me.

There are positive models that Libya can follow and potentially prosper, let us hope they follow those paths.

 

So speaketh the illogically biased partisan con?

 

Well I have traveled all over many times over the years and went to school in Switzerland.

I am generally appreciative of other cultures and what they have to offer.

 

I have traveled as well I spent a semester in Beijing. I have been to Europe a few times and prefer Eastern and Central Europe. I currently have no desire to travel anywhere, but if I was going to I'd go back to either Korea or China, to see what's changed.

I can appreciate other cultures, I simply don't see a need to import failed ideas and diversity for the sake of diversity.

 

I have never traveled in the Far East..

Who said anything about importing failed ideas?

 

Can you articulate what America has gained by this fool's errand?

 

Its quite different, their historical path is so different than ours and our Western-centric educations ignore most of their history, so its very fresh and enjoyable experience if one goes with an open mind. I loved it.

I brought that up of course. Its what I see coming from various factions on the left of using European concepts and injecting them into America. I notice we see a lot less of the Europeans whining about America since the economic realities have finally reared their ugly heads of what's happening over there.

 

Nope, he doesnt deserve credit.

If he actually went to congress and got approval for his illegal war, and then won, then it might be different.

Give NATO all the credit cause we were in a support role only, right?????

 

Were your ancestors European immigrants to the US?

 

Yes, I'm a mutt of English, German, and Polish decent. The English half arrived before the Revolution the Central Europeans in the 1890s.

 

My ancestors were Dutch seamen with the Dutch East Indies Company.. they arrived very early by way of Brazil.

On the other side they were Irish and arrived with the Palatine Immigration to Saxe Gotha.

 

My father looked into his side of the family when he was stationed in Germany, and I have a cousin who is still compiling the family tree on the other side. I like learning about my ancestors, it fun to learn thing like one of them was a captain in the Revolution, or my great-grandfather used to disable underwater mines. I view it as a personal conceit type of thing, as their pasts made it possible for my existence, I take no pride nor blame for what they may or may not have done. Its just interesting information, as there are plenty of cobblers, bakers, common soldiers, midwives, and other more mundane occupations that fill in the vast majority of my ancestors' lives.

 

Yes, of course he deserves some credit for it. It happened during his watch, so he gets credit.

Time will tell if the price tag, 900 Mill approx., was money well spent or not.

So who's next on Baracks hit list, Syria?

 

Where's the credit for the service members? You know those brave men and women who took the real risks?

 

Your correct; congress did approve it. Too bad Bush lied about the weapons of mass destruction; the outcome of the vote would have been much different.

 

Well first it enraged Tea Partiers and made them look even more foolish than usual, if such were possible.

Second, the US should support democracy around the world, since it's the right thing to do and in our interest as free people. Moreover, we see the results of conservative anti-democratic foreign policy such as Reagan's support of Bin Ladin in Afghanistan and Reagan's support of Saddam leads to war and death and huge debt for the US.

So yep, I see lots of benefits of rejecting conservative foreign policy and supporting democracy everywhere.

 

Interesting question.. I am sure Assad has been watching Libya very carefully.

Meanwhile, Obama has waited until there was a consensus among the UK, Germany and France as well as the GCC before asking Assad to step down.

(Assad has had ample time to institute reforms...)

And Syria is pivotal to the region because of their connection to Iran and their support of Hamas and Hezbollah.

First they'll continue to tighten sanctions.

 

Well, I would hope that goes without saying. Of course we know whos really getting it done, but a President gets credit..good or bad...for what happens on his watch.

I wont flip flop on this simply because its not my guy in the chair.

 

Obama waited, that's about the story of his presidency, never leading, always following.

Sanctions are worthless and always a waste of time and effort. Its something governments do to appear to being something, while actually doing nothing.

 

I like that quality.. I don't like snap decisions.. I prefer to gather information before acting.

 

It goes without saying for those that appreciate their efforts, I haven't seen a word of praise uttered by the media for them, have you?

I don't support the action because there was no US interests involved beyond a foggy moral prerogative. That is a bad form of foreign policy in my opinion.

 

Its not leadership. Leadership would have been stating our opinion and drumming up the support, instead this administration refused to say it outright and waited. Its going to take decades to put ourselves back in the driver's seat of international relations after the damage this clown is doing.

 

It's one thing for Obama to clean up Bush's mess but to even go back and clean up Reagan's mess -- that's pretty funny.

 

That would have been the WRONG strategy..

We are done with aggressive regime change..

Obama gets MORE credit and respect from the International community for being a partner in a humanitarian effort than an arrogant bully who knows exactly what's right for every other country.

 

Yet Obama turned his back on the Iranian protestors as the mad mullahs shot them down in the streets.

I don't think we gain anything from Obama's illegal war in Libya since it is likely to be more radical and more terrorist than it was before.

But supporting the Iranian protestors might have actually done some good.

Obama is an idiot.