Khashoggi..The Truth Is Coming Out

I'm almost embarrassed for them

 

Pfffft! A more shameless bunch you'll never find.

 

Drones are politically correct, bone saws are politically incorrect.

 

I'm literally amazed (although why I can't exactly say) at how callous the Trumpers are regarding the torture and murder of a member of our media.

Kinda imperils a Free Press huh?

 

Wow... Trump is really going to be impeached this time... (# 14,215)

 

This is an internal Saudi affair that America should stay out of

 

Virtually the entire world disagrees with that

 

What is the “entire world” planning to do about it?

 

Corporations are abandoning them

Davos in the Desert is all but dead...

Trump however sends his Sec of State to smile and do photo ops

 

I have never said Presidents should ignore communist dictators. I have said they should respect communist dictators because they should always respect hard core threats to our democracy. Other Presidents, going back to Roosevelt, Truman, and Eisenhower have been discreet with their pronouncements regarding autocrats.

Trump is about as discreet as a bull in a china closet.

“The King firmly denied any knowledge” sounds very similar to another statement Trump made at a news conference in Helsinki in July when he revered the word of another autocrat. "I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today," Trump said.

Trump does not stop there. At one point he fell in love with an autocrat who murdered his own brother and uncle, has imprisoned thousands of his own people in gulags, and has threatened the United States with nuclear annihilation. Despite Kim Jong Un's failure to take any steps toward denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula per his promise, Trump made this statement recently, "I was really being tough. And so was he. And we'd go back and forth. And then we fell in love. OK? No, really. He wrote me beautiful letters. And they're great letters. We fell in love."

Reminder, this is our President speaking.

Trump is also enamored with still another autocrat, Xi Jinping, the communist dictator of China. “President Xi and I will always be friends, no matter what happens with our dispute on trade. China will take down its trade barriers because it is the right thing to do,” Trump said a few months back.

That's one hell of a difference and it has everything to do with Trump's inexperience and incompetence.

 

I concede your point about some major corporations engaging in politics rather than business and economics

Thats very sad

 

What?

You mean it's not good business to be associated with murdering dictators?

That throws Trump's entire foreign policy into a cocked hat

 

MBS may end up having to step down...and that may be a good thing. He is only one of many Prince's and with him gone maybe SA will end that insane war they are engaging in, in Yemen and stop trying to overthrow local governments like Lebanon.

 

That trows the entire euro foreign policy into chaos since everone is doing business with dictators these days

And by your impossible standard it makes FDR look bad also

No wonder liberals hate America from Columbus right up to the present day

 

Why should he step down?

He’s part of the royal family

Well ok

If liberal do-gooders must have something make it 2 weeks without harem priviliages

 

Exactly.

 

Would somebody (Left or Right) please tell me what the hell all this "Khashoggi" business is about? I simply do not understand, and I'm as serious as I can be, plus, yes, I did vote for Donald Trump....

While I do regret that the man was killed by someone while he was at a Saudi Consulate in Turkey, I simply cannot fathom why this is of such gigantic importance to the United States of America! The man was not a citizen of the U. S. He was working for the Washington Post as the holder of a "green card", and he was definitely a citizen of Saudi Arabia -- not the United States.

So what's up with this, anyway? We've got THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES sending THE SECRETARY OF STATE to have a confrontation with the ruling royalty of Saudi Arabia about this?!

Yes, it's horrible. Yes, it's a damned shame. Yes, somebody ought to punished with the greatest severity for murdering Khashoggi. But why are WE, the United States of America, getting embroiled in this tragedy up to OUR armpits? I simply do not understand this, and I hope that someone can explain it -- especially now, while it has seemed that the Saudis were sympathetic to our aims of countering Iranian ambitions throughout the Middle East.

 

Because most Americans are still capable of moral outrage while the president is not. Americans value the free press, the president does not. If you don't stand for something, you'll stand for anything. Simple really.

 

I see the tech companies are backing out of the big meeting with Saudi Arabia. It is good to see they are concerned with human rights abuse.....when is Google leaving China in protest?

 

Trump sent his Secretary of State to interrogate the Saudis, and then on to Turkey. Doesn't that qualify as exhibiting "moral outrage"?

But much more importantly, I'm wondering why this is "our axe to grind", given that nobody "gored our ox".... I'm an unapologetically conservative person who believes in looking out for the United States and OUR citizens everywhere. But I get nervous when I start seeing signs of any return to resuming a role as "Policeman of the World". Hint: Khashoggi was not (NOT) a citizen of the United States....

In my long life, I've seen this country get into all kinds of really regrettable, lamentable, long-term trouble by sticking our noses into things that were none of our business!

. Seventeen years and counting....

 

Might be because the man was a legal resident of the U.S., was a reporter for the Washington Post, and he had three children who were born in the U.S. and are citizens.

Pretty much sounds like you agree with Trump. You want the U.S. to abdicate its leadership in the world and not stick our noses where it doesn't belong.

Abdicating that leadership will weaken us, not make us stronger. As the lone superpower, we must accept the good with the bad. Because of our current role we have the largest economy in the world, nearly twice that of our nearest competitor, China. That's part of the good, and that is not too bad.

 

You guys are already assuming that MBS was responsible. Actually, you're assuming that Khashoggi is dead. He might be just avoiding the remarriage and when the Saudi's said he must remarry he screamed in agony.

Some people say that it was MBS. The crowned prince said it was not MBS. I don't see any reason why it would be him. MBS was incredibly strong and powerful in his denial. He even offered to open the Saudi consulate to take in a few more critics of the regime. Don't take a man who is as innocent as Kavanaugh and make a criminal out of him.

 

No, I don't necessarily agree with Trump on this big international flare-up over the murder of a Saudi Arabian citizen in a Saudi Arabian Consulate in the Republic of Turkey. And, no, I don't approve of murder by anyone for no good reason at all, but how is this such an issue of transcending, commanding prominence that it demands the highest level of involvement by the President of the United States and the Secretary of State? It's totally out of proportion, if nothing else....

I don't condone murder (forgive me for repeating that over and over), but our relationship with Saudi Arabia is more important now than ever, for a variety of reasons -- including oil (the obvious one), and a united front versus the Islamo-insanity of the theocracy that rules Iran! Surely, skillful handling of THAT relationship is a very important part of our "leadership in the world" that you speak of....

 

Pompeo looked really outraged when he was smiling in those photo ops with MBS

But take heart...the people who admit that they killed the reporter (accidentally....sure) are "investigating".

 

Hey, if we really do suspend visas, do you PROMISE you won't whine about a "Muslim Ban?"

Cause I'm thinking if we suspended the visas from every country that's killed a dissident, we won't have anyone coming here.